The 1964 AH Kennedy proof - or - When does a variety deserve notoriety?!

I've run across a question: what year did PCGS begin including the Accented Hair variety of the 1964 Kennedy proof half dollar?

Furthermore - where would I go to learn about when (what years) other varieties began being included?

FURTHERMORE - what *causes* PCGS to finally note when a variety deserves notoriety? (catchy title eh?)

Thank you to all for your input!

- ascrane

 

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PCGS will only recognize, Cherry-pickers guide coins for slabbing ....

 

Welcome to the forums too ...........

 

Thanks!

 

OK. I'll expand on OPs question.
When and how does CP guide determine a variety?

 

Complicated question...

Theoretically, the varieties included in CPG are available for "cherrypicking," and significant enough to be worth the effort. These varieties should be popular, common, collectible, and significant. There are thousands and thousands of minor varieties, but only the most significant ones will make it into CPG (and will be designated by the TPGs).

The TPGs will take the CPG and then decide which ones they will designate. I think PCGS designates all of them, NGC only designates a few of them (and some not in CPG).

As for when a TPG starts designating a variety, if it is significant enough they will release a press statement. You can search the web and find these statements. If it is not significant enough, you are pretty much out of luck.

 

I gave a direct answer, thats all .
OP received my reply .

Times money and money time .......


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Jason has pretty much covered it, but sometimes it can take a while for a new variety to get into the book and be recognized. For example, the 2005-S KS Silver Proof SQ, FS-901 was discovered in 2005, but wasn't listed in the CPG until 2012. Until that time, it was merely listed as a Mint Error.

And, for you error collectors, you should be aware that most errors are not included in population reports because the category is way too broad, but most varieties are.

Chris

 

The TPG's react, if they feel like it, when it becomes obvious that the collector base is assigning and paying extra money for the variety, or would if they could get one.

 

Ya mean like the Speared Bison?

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David Hall asked the folks on the CU Forums.

As for a variety being on the CPG before it is recognized by PCGS, they don't have to be in the CPG.

Back around 2005/2006 someone asked if the varieties in the CPG would be recognized and slabbed as such by PCGS. (I have no idea where the thread is).
David Hall responded that PCGS would attributed ANY coin which was in the CPG.

In 2006, when Volume II came out, there was a listing for the 1977-D DDO Kennedy Half Dollar but it was in the "Appendix" with an FS number.
PCGS would NOT attribute the coin because it was not in the main body of the book with the appropriate "pit-chures" even though it was a major doubled die which did not require imagination to see.



Kennedy Collectors knew about this coin since at least 1997 because it exists in James Wiles Kennedy Half Dollar Book.

However, it didn't get attributed by PCGS until AFTER it showed up in the body of the CPG.

Now, since David Ha;;s comment, a lot of "new" collectors treat the CPG as if it were the Holy Bible of Coin Collecting. Meaning, if it ain't in the CPG it ain't worth a dang!

Nothing could be further from the truth and a whole new generation of collectors is being guided by this "biblical" principal.

The reality is, is that the CPG is a collection of certain varieties which are popular amongst the different collectors of different coin series.

From what I've witnessed, the CPG Publisher will seek out input from various organizations about which variety they think should be in the CPG. That information is gathered and forward to the publisher who in return forwards it to the editor(s). The editor(s) make the final selection of what will be in the body of the book.

So, in a more or less fashion, the editor of the CPG decides which coins will be put in and which coins will get moved to the appendix.

Given the fluctuations in the market, many coins will appear and then get consigned to the appendix as "market" interest wanes for a particular variety.
The 1970-D DDR Washington's are good examples because, when that 2006 editin of the VOLUME II came out, these were white hot. Today, not so much and both will be moved to the appendix for the next edition.

So, for the CPG "followers", I would suggest learning more about the varieties you collect and let their uniqueness guide you instead of being lead around by the editor of the CPG.

BTW, the Accented Hair Kennedy is a "heritage" variety in that the TPG's have been attributing them since well before 2002, probably earlier since it is a well known and sought after variety. Big Bucks await the finder of a CAM or DECAM coin in the higher grades.