Tetrarchic unreduced folles additions & upgrades

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  1. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    The criteria I use for including coins in my collection are:
    1. Historical significance/association
    2. Clarity and completeness of inscriptions/legends
    3. Clarity of obverse and reverse depictions (particularly obverse portraits)
    I do not put much emphasis on overall condition: I am not much bothered by some surface roughness or minor blemishes, incidental dings and scratches, etc. I do favor coins that are well centered and pleasing to my eye.

    I recently upgraded three of the most difficult to find (for me) London Mint unreduced Tetrarchic folles which I have depicted below. I photographed them using my iPad camera which I am using until I get a new digital camera. I have now added them to my Britannic coinage of the Tetrarchy Photo Gallery (Annotated). Please post pics of these three coin issues from the London Mint, or any other Mint, that you have for style comparison.

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 42, Galerius Maximian, Augustus of the East:

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    IMP C MAXIMIANVS P F AVG ............................... GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    Identical obverse inscription (2C) to the primary one of Maximian Herculius.
    9.7 gm.

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 46 (variant), Severus, Augustus of the West:

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    IMP SEVERVS PIVS FEL AVG ................................. GENIO POPVLI ROMANI

    Draped laureate bust.
    Obverse legend variation: PIVS FEL instead of PIVS FELIX.
    9.4 gm.

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 47, Constantius, Augustus of the West:

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    IMP CONSTANTIVS PIVS FEL AVG .......................... GENIO POPVLI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    8.9 gm.
     
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  3. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Nice additions James!
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I like the portrait on the Constantius, but it will be hard to beat that Gallerius. Outstanding coins all.
     
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  5. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Another new upgrade (again, photo via my iPad camera):

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 33, Galerius Maximian, Caesar of the East:

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    MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C ............................................ GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    11.2 gm.
    ............................................

    Coin it replaced (same issue, RIC VI, Londinium, No. 33 - photo taken with old digital camera):

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    MAXIMIANVS NOBIL C ........................................ GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    10.2 gm.



     
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  6. jamesicus

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  7. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    James, you're a boss! :cool:

    I hope your wife is doing well!

    Keep up the great work!

    Erin
     
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  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Very nice upgrades. I don't think I have anything to share...I'll have to check...
     
  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Of course, we all know who the real Boss is - “She who must be obeyed” - AKA Beverly! (at least to our family members)

    But of course, she is really my sweet soulmate of many years and, despite having a somewhat difficult time adjusting to her new medicine regimen, she is doing well. Thank you for inquiring, Erin.

    We are now living a more relaxed, peaceful lifestyle, but of course I will still pursue my love of Ancient coins with undiminished vigor!
     
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  10. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I have paired up the two original western Tetrarchs - two coins in starkly different condition - I like them both.


    RIC Volume VI, Lugdunum, No. 14b, Maximian Herculius, Augustus of the West:


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    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG ................................. GENIO POP -- VLI ROMANI

    Constantius British Invasion coinage.
    8.9 gm.

    RIC Volume VI, Lugdunum, No. 17a, Constantius, Caesar of the West:

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    FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB C .............................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Constantius British Invasion coinage
    Fully silvered.
    10.1 gm.
     
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  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I especially LOVE these two up-grades.....the style, condition and centering are just wonderful!!!
     
  12. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Another upgrade:

    VI, Londinium, No. 28a, Diocletian, Augustus of the East:


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    IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG ................................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    11.5 gm.
    .........................................

    And this is the coin it replaced:

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 28a, Diocletian, Augustus of the East:

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    IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG ................................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    10.2 gm.
     
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  13. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Fantastic upgrades Jamesicus! Congrats!
     
  14. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Thank you @Mikey Zee.
     
  15. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Sometimes my upgrades are very subtle.

    Reiteration of the criteria I use for including coins in my collection:
    1. Historical significance/association
    2. Clarity and completeness of inscriptions/legends
    3. Clarity of obverse and reverse depictions (particularly obverse portraits)

    I do not put much emphasis on overall condition: I am not much bothered by some surface roughness or minor blemishes, incidental dings and scratches, etc. I do favor coins that are well centered and pleasing to my eye.

    Here is a subtle upgrade:


    RIC VI, Londinium, No.6b, Maximian Herculius, Augustus of the West:


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    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG .............................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    10.1 gm.
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    And the coin it replaced:

    RIC VI, Londinium, No.6b, Maximian Herculius, Augustus of the West:

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    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG .............................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    9.9 gm.
     
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  16. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    This one has turned naturally green. It was struck in Antioch and weighs 9.83 g.

    MaxAnt O 001.jpg MaxAntio R 001.jpg
     
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  18. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Sometimes upgrading has unexpected results. I am keeping the first coin shown below as the best representation of RIC VI, Londinium, No. 15. The second coin doesn’t quite fit due to the portrait style and the long laurel ribbon tie laying on the neck - it is actually a Bastien Intermediate Londinium coin. I determined to treat the third coin depicted below as a duplicate No. 15 and therefor surplus to my needs. I am no longer able to travel to coin shows in order to make trades, so I gifted that coin to a member of this Forum who has exhibited interest in Tetrarchic coinage through participation in my threads. I intend to continue this practice, on occasion, for I want to encourage such collectors to develop an interest in these coins.

    RIC VI, Londinium, No.15, Galerius Maximian, Caesar of the East:


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    MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES ................................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    10.6 gm

    Acquired as:
    RIC VI, Londinium, No.15, Galerius Maximian, Caesar of the East:
    Most probably is:
    Intermediate series coin (Bastien), not in RIC, Galerius, Caesar of the East:

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    MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES ................................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    10.0 gm

    RIC VI, Londinium, No.15, Galerius Maximian, Caesar of the East:

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    MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES ....................................... GENIO POPV — LI ROMANI
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I believe we each must determine which factors are most important to us. While I prefer full legend coins, I can tolerate loss of legends that can be guessed with certainty far more than those that are needed to date or identify a coin. Worn coins do not bother me nearly as much as rough surfaces do. Many Genius coins lose points with me from weak strikes on the head or torso of the reverse figure. 'Pleasing to the (that means my) eye' is the big thing so style can outrank grade when separating winners and losers destined for my collection.
     
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  20. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Nice upgrades!
     
  21. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    This is my favorite follis]
     

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