T-bone "uncertain mint" antoninianus

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Post your Trebonianus coins, Volusians, etc. Whatever you feel is relevant.

    The mint at which this issue was produced is apparently unclear. While RIC (IV-3, p. 151) unambiguously attributes this one to the Milan (Mediolanum) mint* on the basis of its obverse inscription IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG instead of the IMP CAE C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG found at Rome, Sear (vol 3, p. 227) is more cautious about attributing it to a specific mint, noting that Milan, Viminacium, or Rome are all possibilities.**

    How strong is the data for attributing this to Milan? Has anyone published a good study reviewing the evidence?

    Trebonianus Gallus LIBERTAS PVBLICA antoninianus.jpg
    Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253
    Roman AR antoninianus; 1.91 gm, 20.8 mm
    Uncertain mint (Milan?), AD 252
    Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right
    Rev: LIBERTAS PVBLICA, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and transverse scepter
    Refs: RIC 70; Cohen 68; RCV 9636; Hunter 50

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have no insights regarding the mint of your coin, but your coin is a decent T-Bone ant. This my only T-bone which I have attributed to the Rome mint Trebonianus Gallus 1.jpg
    TREBONIANUS GALLUS
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP CAE C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG - Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    REVERSE: LIBERTAS PVBLICA - Libertas standing left, holding pileus and scepter
    Struck at Rome, 251-253 AD
    3.5g, 21mm
    RIC 38
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    But yours has the same obverse inscription as mine, IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, and is apparently from the "uncertain mint" as well.
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I don't believe anything has been published making the mint city ID of those certain and I do not know the arguments employed. I have two of the CAE C and five CC coins. To me, the style, lesser alloy and officinae numbering dots make the CC coins quite clearly different from the 'Rome' style CAE C coins. Are there more than two mints? I do not have a CC coin without the officina marking which RIC assigns to Milan. I will wait for the new book on the subject.

    Two RIC "Rome"
    ro1380bb1256.jpg ro1390bb1853.jpg
    CC legends with officinae markings RIC "Antioch":
    ro1400bb0547.jpg ro1410bb1261.jpg ro1415bb3099.jpg ro1420bb1525.jpg ro1430bb1815.jpg
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Sear also notes the ones with dots or Roman numerals are from Antioch. Here's one with Roman numerals as officina markings:

    Trebonianus Gallus.jpg
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Trebonius Gallus:
    RI Trebonianus Gallus Ant 20mm 3.0g Apollo Lyre RIC 32 RSC 20.JPG
    RI Trebonianus Gallus Ant 20mm 3.0g Apollo Lyre RIC 32 RSC 20

    Volusian:
    RI Volusian 251-253 CE AR Tet Antioch mint Eagle.jpg
    RI Volusian 251-253 CE AR Tet Antioch mint Eagle
     
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  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Here my Milan mint

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    Trebonianus Gallus, Antoninianus. Milan mint, AD 251-253. IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped, cuirassed bust right / PIETAS AVGG, Pietas veiled, standing left by altar, raising both hands. RIC 72; RSC 88; Sear (1998) 2790; Sear 9643.
     
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  9. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I have a T-bone Antioch ant. I can't make out any dots or numerals in the rev. exergue, but there are four under the portrait (in the examples posted above and those on acsearch, the dots are often found on both obv. and rev.). The portrait style is unmistakeable... also the type seems only to have been issued at Antioch.(?)

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  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Just today I bought my first Trebonianus Gallus - Libertas type with her holding the pointy hat. I was confused about the Milan mint situation with these (Wildwinds, Vcoins listings). Then poking around I found you guys talking about the Milan mint situation - very useful stuff here. Thank you all...

    I don't have the coin yet (again, I just bought it), but here are the seller's photos. Not very pretty, but affordable. It appears to be potentially the "Milan Type" because of the CC obverse legend, but I don't see any dots for a mint mark on the reverse. Puzzling.

    Have you guys seen the somewhat scary Trebonianus Gallus bronze statue at the Met? It is the only large 3rd century Roman Emperor in bronze. Here's the Met description. http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/247117

    If you want a lot of detail on its restoration and where it was found, etc., this is pretty interesting stuff (opens in a pdf file): http://d2aohiyo3d3idm.cloudfront.net/publications/restoring_bronzes/09_Bronzes.pdf

    Trebonianus Gallus Libertas Jun 17.jpg

    Trebonianus Gallus Libertas Jun 17a.jpg
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Thanks for sharing your coin and the info about that bronze statue! fascinating!

    You know, if I were the Roman emperor, I don't think I'd want a bronze statue of me nekkid on the street corner.

    I'm glad you found the thread helpful.
     
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  12. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the naked emperor statue...I wouldn't go for that either. I just visited Rome for the first time in April and I was kind of shocked by a nude statue of Antoninus Pius at the Palazzo Altemps - a rather dignified, emperor, I used to think. Different times...

    Sorry for loading up the post with nude dudes!

    From Wikipedia: By Carole Raddato from FRANKFURT, Germany - Antoninus Pius, Palazzo Altemps, Rome, CC BY-SA 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=30370594
    Antoninus_Pius,_Palazzo_Altemps,_Rome_(11383990114).jpg
     
  13. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    The scariest thing about that sculpture is the tiny head!
     
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