Superb Shipwreck Silver Saturday! Post yours also...

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  1. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay. This one is a special theme, so please do your best and post a "Shipwreck Era" coin if you want. 1783ElCazadorOBV-tile.jpg 1783ElCazadorOBV.jpg 1783ElCazadorREV.jpg Examples.... Cobs, Reale's and others. Be creative. Argh!! Post 'em coins there matey!
    Here is my 1783 2R coin from the famous shipwreck, The El Cazador. Here is some info. on the wreck.
    The El Cazador (meaning The Hunter in English) was a Spanish brig that sank in the Gulf of Mexico in 1784. In the 1770s the Spanish Louisiana Territory’s economy was faltering due to paper money that was not backed by silver or gold. Carlos III, King of Spain, decided to replace the worthless currency with valuable Spanish silver coins.[1] On 20 October 1783 Charles III of Spain sent her on a mission to bring much-needed hard currency to the Spanish colony of Louisiana in order to stabilize the currency. The ship sailed to Veracruz, Mexico, where she was loaded with approximately 450,000 Spanish reales.[2] To be more precise, she was loaded with silver Spanish coins, mostly 8 reales, “Pieces of Eight,” It carried 400,000 silver pesos and another 50,000 pesos worth of smaller change, of various dates. At one ounce to the peso, and 12 troy ounces to the pound, that's 37,500 pounds of silver.[1] King Carlos III enlisted his most trusted captain, Gabriel de Campos y Pineda, to command the ship.[3] On 11 January 1784, she sailed for New Orleans, and was never heard from again.[4][5] Spain’s attempts to locate the ship were unsuccessful and in June 1784, El Cazador was officially listed as missing at sea.[3]
     
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  3. dwhiz

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  4. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    This is a relatively recent purchase.
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  5. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Otho - 69 - AR Tetradrachm - Antioch - 27mm, 10.0g (shipwreck coin) - RPC 4199-4200  VF.jpg
    OTHO AR silver tetradrachm. Antioch. AYTOKPATWP M OQWN KAICAP CEBACTOC, laureate head right. Reverse - ETOVC A below eagle standing left on branch with wreath in its beak, palm branch before. RPC 4199/4200. 27mm, 10.0g.
     
  6. Dafydd

    Dafydd Supporter! Supporter

    Here's an interesting coin.
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    And another
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    This one is from HMS Association
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    And here is an interesting narrative from the diver who actually raised this coin.

    Here we have a Rare CHARLES II HALFCROWN 1670 which was probably in EF condition but has suffered a bit of corrosion during 300 years on the seabed . I say 'rare' as we don't have many coins left to sell from the wreck . . It is 33mm diameter and weighs in at good weight of 13.61 gms . I am afraid there are very few nice coins left from the salvage of this wreck especially crowns and there will not be any more coming up from the wreck as it is now in the hands of the archaeologists because it has been falsely protected .This means that we no longer protect it and there have been scavengers out there although we thoroughly salvaged it over 25 years so there is not too much left to find. These were recovered from the ASSOCIATION sunk 1707 on The Isles of Scilly in what turned out to be one of Britain's worst maritime disaster due to the loss of life . The Association was the flagship Of Admiral Sir Clowdisley Shovell and was returning to England following a protracted period at sea. They not only come complete with a certificate of authenticity signed by us , the salvors and it also has photo's of the coin which is numbered and referenced to the certificate. (The certificate shown is for a different coin but you can see what the cert will be like !!!.) PLUS a card showing the pair of us handing in some of the treasure and in a lovely presentation Box
     
  7. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    Cool topic! Makes me think of Pirates! ARRRGGH!!!!

    Anyway, the only shipwreck coin I have is from the same ship as the example posted by @SensibleSal66 It's hard to underestimate the significance of the El Cazador's failure to make it to the intended New World port.

    My example is the only encapsulated coin in my collection. Here are NGC's online images:
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    Here is my photo of the obverse:
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    Speaking of . . . Someone wrote a song about the El Cazador! It will never make the "Top 40", but it's worth a listen if you know anything about the shipwreck:
     
  8. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    one of my DC pieces also have one from the Atocha but can't seem to find the pics tonight lol dc2020o.jpg dc2020r.jpg
     
  9. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Well, since you specified shipwreck silver, here is a ca. 1665-1682 Mexico City 8-reales “cob” salvaged from the 1682 Johanna shipwreck. But I no longer own it.

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    Presently the only shipwreck coin in my collection is gold: this 1877 Sydney mint Australian sovereign which was salvaged from the 1882 RMS Duoro shipwreck, which lay 1,500 feet deep in the Atlantic.

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  12. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Shipwreck Saturday..

    Were this to continue I'd really have to take a step down and post the 'zombie' Tiberius, lol. These are coins which came out pretty well. There were a couple of grams of base metal loss, but that's not bad for 2,000 years in the water. The price also got knocked down 40 or 50%.

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    Galba - 68-69 AR Tetradrachm - Antioch - Prieur 100, RPC 4198 28mm, 10.0g (sea find)
     
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