Sultanate of Rum dirham of Kaykhusraw II

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  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

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    SELJUQ OF RUM: Kaykhusraw II, 1236-1245, AR dirham , Siwas, AH 639, A-1218, lion & sunface, star left of sunface

    The Seljuq Turks ruled over a large part of Anatolia, and we're one of the most powerful of the Turkish kingdoms from the 11th century through the mid-13th century. They were famous for their art and architecture (which was a unique blend of Persian and Turkish), as well as renowned traders.

    However, their location meant that their kingdom suffered greatly from the impact of the crusades, severely weakening them, paving the way for the Mongols to defeat and sack the Kingdom in the mid-13th century, and making the Seljuqs of Rum a vasal state to the Mongols. The kingdom fell apart shortly thereafter.

    The above coin was struck under Kaykhusraw II, the last ruler of Rum to hold any meaningful power. And as far as Islamic coins go, he sure produced a beauty. Compared to the typical script covered Islamic coins of the era, this one really stands out.

    Post any coins you think relevant, or anything you want.
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2017
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice!!!!
     
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  4. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    I really like that one a lot!! No coins to share, but you may find these pages from "Arabic Coins and how to read them" of interest:

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  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i'd LOVE to get one of those, high on my list. when the islamic coins have imagery on them they usually knock it out of the park don't they? i have this AE...

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  6. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    An interesting coin. Recall reading that images of living beings on islamic coinage was really a bit of a taboo. This one was one of my first ventures outside of my comfort zone of modern world coinage. Sorry for the crappy photos...

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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    It really is a lovely type. Yours has a great sun-face.


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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sallent => is that a new OP-addition? (congrats => that type is always a winner)

    I have a few relevant examples as well ... wanna see 'em?

    Islamic, Mongols, Ilkhanids. Arghun, AR Dirham
    1284-1291 AD
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    Seljuqs of Rum, Ghiyath Al-Din Kai Khusro
    AE-Fals (AE25)

    1191-1210 AD
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    Seljuqs of Rum, Kaykhusraw II, AR Dirham
    1236-1245 AD
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2017
  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nice Seljuks, everyone! Thanks so much for that extra info, @dadams.

    I bought one ~four years ago. I don't remember who I was copying. Steve? Noob? Someone posted one on a forum and I thought it was interesting, plus it was an inexpensive ride-along coin for my Carthage 15 shekel (wanting to save on shipping is the commonest and lamest excuse for buying another coin, isn't it? :D).

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    SELJUKS OF RUM, Ghiyath al-Din Kay Khusraw II bin Kay Qubadh
    Konya mint, CE 1241/2 (AH 639)
    Silver Dirhem
    Obv: lion advancing right; facing sun and star above, two stars below
    Rev: legend across field
    Ref: Broome 243G; Izmirlier 403; Album 1218
    formerly slabbed
     
  10. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Lovely example. And I have qualms in admitting I copied @stevex6 on this one. Ever since I saw him post his for the first time, I've wanted one. I've bid on a few over the last year without luck, and finally saw this one on vcoins, and with the conversion to Euros and shipping to the US it was still fairly inexpensive ($91 total).

    Compare to these below which sold on CNG for $135 each, not including auction fees and shipping, and I think I did well.

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  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    $91 is indeed a great price for a coin with ample obverse detail, congrats! I wouldn't mind paying CNG prices for these types when they look as good as the CNG coins. But they're not easy to find. There are some at vcoins at the moment, but a bit overpriced for the grades. I have yet to come across one at a show or part of a collection that's for sale.
     
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  12. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    That's why I snapped it up. I figured one that nice on vcoins, at that incredible price, wouldn't last 24 hours, so I didn't hesitate. You are right about the remaining ones there, overpriced for their grades.
     
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    As I recall the story, the Georgian wife was a Christian and the king bent the rules because he was quite smitten with her. Later, she converted to Islam and his coins return to the standard text only format. I do not have one of those to show (I never really got into these and never learned to read the language).
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very cool coins, Nada aqui.
     
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  15. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    It is fortunate for us, the collectors, that such a unique design is a common coin, and availabe at a reasonable amount. I think it is a fascinating issue.


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  16. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I've always liked those, never got one though. Congrats.
     
  17. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    Oh. ThisIsFun.

    Been looking for one this nice for awhile. Hmmmmm. Now I know why.
     
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  18. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    Two things. Now I am hunting for one of these in top condition. Thanks for that. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

    Second thing. Targeted marketing run amok? I'm a more than middle aged, married atheist but I am thinking about becoming a single young Muslim man very soon. Unless there is an ad like this for single Zoroastrians. I would probably choose that first............btw does that make me a religious fundamentalist?

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    btw btw I did not screen pic the "frustrated with finishing first?" ad. At least they know they have a largely male audience here.

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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Lovely toning. Nice to see an Islamic coin with some pictorial elements, too, as others have mentioned.
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    OK, @Sallent and others: y'all had a subconscious influence on me.

    My trigger finger got itchy. It hovered over the mouse briefly - hesitantly at first - then came down with a decisive click. :)

    This one does have some flatly-struck areas, but I was willing to accept that because of the contrasting "CircCam" toning, which I believe more than compensates for the strike (which really isn't all that bad anyway).

    Plus the sunface and lion are so expressive here, and there's that little crescent moon off to the left of the sun which I don't see on all of them (mintmark? moneyer's privy mark?).

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    So this was the one for me. Barely over a hundred bucks. I was pleasantly surprised at that. I had thought these were considerably more expensive. Some are, of course, but I didn't find them any more impressive than the more affordable ones. At this point, I know nothing of scarcer varieties in these, and am never going to specialize in them. So for a single type coin, I like my $105-ish example just fine.
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @dadams - thank you for sharing that, my sage, bibliomaniac friend. When you originally posted it, I had no idea it would prove so useful to me a little over a month later. :)
     
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