Is this a legit , I thought it was a nice type or style coin , at first has a issue validating the coin .And I looked cause it was dayum near impossible to be 1791 George III Dei Gratia Can someone please try to identify. The coin... Sent from my C6740N using Tapatalk
Gilt base metal gaming pieces of a late 18th century British Guinea. Not even good enough to be a counterfeit. A note on the pics, I am noticing with images posted from Tapatalk that they do not readily appear on most browsers lately, must be some issue with Tapatalk. I noticed the images by quoting the post. Maybe a little bug that admin needs to look into.
i have looked throught the standard book of world coins and it matches this to a tee am i wrong please correct me if possible
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I understand his advice I'm not saying it's not what he's said it is , I'm not sure it's a gamer token. ? And if it is what kind of games how do you determine tjat?? Sent from my C6740N using Tapatalk
No matter what you do, images only show in the preview. Obviously cast, obviously in a base metal, and then plated. As a counterfeit it would only fool a drunken skanky barmaid in a dimly lit pub. This appears to be a gaming counter, used as a "token" in a card game etc.
Think of it as a "proto-poker chip" and you'll be in the right vicinity as to its origins and use. When paper became common and cheap enough for folks to use for "scratch" calculations and figuring, the venerable jeton, a coin-like token made to be used on a checkerboard-like surface and slid around like a bead on an abacus, with a history going back to at least 12th century France, was no longer of any practical use. However, almost anyone who did any sort of figuring probably had a set (or several sets) of jetons. They were seized-upon as a ready-made chit or place-keeper and so were perfect for use in gambling wherever we might use chips today. The manufacturers of jetons, of course, with their centuries long history of creating and supplying coin-like pieces, promoted their use as game counters - and as political "statements". The late 18th, early 19th century era was a time when purely gaming tokens split off from "message" tokens which had formerly similarly served as game markers. These are immensely rich fields within exonumia and allow one to trace how jetons lead directly to the creation of decorative poker chips for home use, elaborate semi-monetary casino chips, political statement tokens and buttons, and tokens as a purely advertising-related medium. An example of a late medieval or early modern jeton of the sort often found in MD digs and which will usually stump the unfamiliar who believe them to be coins: The French aristocracy (of course) went hog-wild for collecting decorative jetons and the manufacturers were glad to provide them in a variety of metals - rather like collector plates. The website on which I have prepared photos of the transitional tokens including the very common "spade guinea" jetons like the one which began the thread, and political items like the "To Hanover" pieces poking fun at the new German monarch in 1837, Victoria, is down at the moment, unfortunately. If the thread goes on, I may try re-shooting some examples.
This really works, perhaps it would help the administrators in knowing what is going on? @Peter T Davis
Agree. Token. And yes, I had to quote this just to see the picture. Tapatalk seems to be the issue, though I heard rumors that Flikr was acting up too.
For those finding this thread of interest, and in hopes of avoiding whatever the photo-uploading glitch may be, I have placed 9 new images of "Spade Guinea" and Victoria-themed gaming tokens on my gallery/website at http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album136 . Mainly British, they run from the late 18th through the early-mid 19th century. They illustrate part of the journey tokens made morphing from medieval mathematical-aid jetons to something like the poker chips and other various gaming tokens of our modern day. Note the piece in homage to ancient Roman coin types - MINERVA / RECHEN PFENNING // :I :L (means "counting-penny", ie: a jeton) which comes in the middle between the generations of spade guinea and Victoria-themed types. I have not, however, added any of the specifically American-themed or overtly political items - perhaps another evening if folks find this interesting. http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album136
