Strange star shaped mark under the word Liberty

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Jeffrey Dean, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member

    I found this penny years ago and held onto it because of the strange mark seen under the word "Liberty." Obviously it could merely be damage to the coin, but from the looks of it, it seems to have happened during the minting process.

    What do you all think?

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  3. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Damage.

    If a coin has damage in it in various places, it's best to discern everything else as damage.

    Mint Errors are LIMITED
    damage is UNLIMITED

    what's that icky stuff on the shoulder ?
     
  4. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    It looks like maayyyyyyyybe you have a little die crack right there where you think you have that star shape but like @Clawcoins said, when a coin has as much going on with post mint damage as your's does, then it's likely just a little more. I enlarged the photo as best I could and that's all I can see.
     
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  5. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    It does have damage.
     
  6. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member

    I cleaned it up with a soft tooth brush and some soap. Apparently there was possibly old gum or something on it. You can still see the strange mark below the word Liberty but not as pronounced now that it is clean. From a distance it looks just like a stamped letter. Penny 2C.jpg Penny 2B.jpg Penny 2A.jpg
     
  7. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    No die crack. What I saw, you washed off. If you think a coin you have has any value, do not scrub it with a brush!
     
  8. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    He has sparkley teeth now

    It was pretty grimey
    So I think the cleaning was well deserved
     
  9. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member

    Well, whatever that mark is, it's obvious to me it happened at the mint...
     
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    For something circulated, a Q-tip is probably as rough as you want to get. Don't use anything that could scratch the surface. And no corrosive solvents or chemicals either.
     
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  11. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member


    We used soft bristle tooth brushes and soap to clean critical contacts on aircraft electronics, I doubt that the soft bristles of a tooth brush could do much scratching of a penny.
     
  12. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    You would be surprised. Wiping a coin with a piece of tissue will hairline the surfaces. These are big no-nos in coin collecting. Now corroded ancients - that's another story. But if you have a modern coin, the less cleaning the better - you want to keep the original "skin" as much as possible... unless you don't mind depreciating its value.
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Maybe a small Struck Through object. Nothing really major.
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You have much to learn grasshopper.

    Really, the "after cleaning" images show the hairlining from the brushing fairly clearly, and they aren't the best pictures. The coin screams "cleaned!".
     
  15. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member

    Every line you see in that photo after the cleaning was there before the cleaning. All you have to do is compare.

    In fact you can see even MORE lines (that you are calling brush marks) in the picture before it was cleaned.
     
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2018
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I don't have it in hand.
    But that mark looks like it was a strike coming from above and displaced and pushed the metal down.
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  17. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    You can readily see the damage to the surfaces from the brushing in the pictures...

    Anyway it's just damage. Did not happen at the mint. It's worth one cent just spend it.
     
  18. Jeffrey Dean

    Jeffrey Dean New Member

    The damage is NOT from a tooth brush (that is utterly ridiculous). The damage you see is from years of being in circulation, you can see the same exact surface scratches in the before washing picture.

    Some of you are anal retentive.

    It still has it's cartwheel, so... it's not that seriously damaged it's just clean for God's sake.

    LOL
     
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  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Granted... Being anal retentive does seem to go hand in hand with this hobby. I would never bat an eye at someone washing grime from common spending change.... The act of cleaning does have a permanent negative affect to collectible coins..... Sometimes us anal types can't distinguish the difference between the collectible and spendable coins though....
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't see any evidence of luster in those pictures. Shiny yes, but not luster.
     
  21. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Obviously the coin has no value over a cent and is damaged so it doesn't matter if it's cleaned.

    This is a public forum though. My point is to prevent a future reader from thinking they can clean a modern coin with a toothbrush like that and retain the numismatic value.
     
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