Strange garment

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  1. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    Dear friends of ancient coins!

    The Chlamys is probably known to all. Especially images of Apollo, Dionysos or Hermes often show it either hanging over the left shoulder or on the left forearm. I have added a picture.
    Bronze_youth_chlamys_Sous-Parsat_CdM_Paris.jpg

    Now I have a coin from Nicopolis, AMNG I/1 1830, wshowing Zeus with a strange object hanging over his shoulder that bears little resemblance to a Chlamys. It looks more like a body bandage or a wide belt.
    nikopolis_25_diadumenian_HrHJ(2013)8.25.01.13+.jpg
    Does anyone know what it is?

    I don't think that in antiquity arbitrariness went so far - as it does in modern times - that the die cutter could do whatever he wanted.

    I would be delighted to receive any answer!

    Thanks in advance
    Jochen
     
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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    It's a chlamys. It's just not well rendered on this coin. Jupiter is usually depicted with a chlamys on Roman coins, so it doesn't surprise me to see it on a provincial, too.
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    Constantine I ("the Great")
    A.D. 307-337
    AE Nummus
    Thessalonica mint, A.D. 312-313
    RIC 61b
    Obv: IMP C CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI AVGG NN - Jupiter leaning on scepter and holding Victory; eagle at feet
    •TS•B• in exergue
    23 mm, 2.8 g.

    But the figure appears to be holding a patera, so I wonder if it is intended to be a genius rather than Zeus
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    Severus II
    Caesar, A.D. 305-306
    Augustus, A.D. 306-307

    Bronze 1/4 Nummus
    Siscia mint, A.D. 305-306
    Obv: FL VAL SEVERVS NOB C
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI - Genius, modius on head, naked but for chlamys hanging from shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae
    SIS in exergue
    RIC 170a
    19mm, 2.3g.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Hermes with a chlamys draped over his forearm.

    Faustina Jr Cyzicus Hermes.jpg
    Faustina II, AD 147-175/6.
    Roman provincial Æ 26.3 mm, 9.32 g, 1 h.
    Mysia, Cyzicus (group 2), AD 169-175.
    Obv: ΦΑVϹΤEΙΝΑ ϹEΒΑϹΤΗ; draped bust of Faustina II, r.
    Rev: ΚVΖΙΚΗΝΩΝ ΝЄOΚΟΡ; nude Hermes standing facing, head left, holding purse, caduceus and chlamys.
    Refs: RPC IV.2 699 (temp); SNG Cop 115; Mionnet Suppl. 5, p. 225, 270.
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Severus II 2.jpg
    SEVERUS II
    Quarter Follis
    OBVERSE: SEVERVS NOB C, laureate head right
    REVERSE: GGENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, with chlamys over l. shoulder, patera & cornucopiae; SIS in ex.
    Struck at Siscia 305-6 AD
    2.3g, 20mm
    RIC VI Siscia 171a
     
  6. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

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    Carinus, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 2nd officina, 5th emission, Nov 284 AD
    IMP CARINVS PF AVG, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus right
    IOVI VI - CTORI, Jupiter standing left, holding victory and sceptre, chlamys on left shoulder. Eagle at feet. KAB at exergue
    4,25 gr, 22 mm
    Ref : RCV #12348, Cohen #45, RIC vol V #257

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  7. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Here is an interesting quote on the subject -

    "The chlamys was also the typical Greek military attire from the 5th to the 3rd century BC. As worn by soldiers, it could also be wrapped around the arm and used as a light shield in combat."

    So this could be what is being depicted.. or the artist just preferred the image of the male nude, so they show the short cloak being draped away from the body?

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  8. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Leo IV and Constantine VI are both wearing their chlamyses on the obverse of this coin:
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    The dead guys on the reverse, Leo III and Constantine V, are both wearing the loros. Obviously heroic nudity with clothing draped over the arm wasn't popular in Byzantine times. :D
     
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