Straight grade or problem coin - 1797 half cent

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Ariette, Feb 13, 2018.

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Straight grade or details grade?

  1. Straight grade

    2 vote(s)
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  2. Details grade

    8 vote(s)
    80.0%
  1. Ariette

    Ariette New Member

    Hey all. I am wondering whether you think this 1797 Liberty Cap Half Cent I just got would grade straight or not. The date is worn, but it can be identified by the presence of a raised "1" numeral just below Liberty's profile: the 1 above 1 overdate variety that was only produced in 1797. 1797hc_obv_crop.jpg 1797hc_rev_crop.jpg 121.JPG
     
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  3. Justinokay

    Justinokay Member

    I think it's gonna get details, too many scratches on it
     
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  4. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Also has some raised corrosion on both sides.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Certainly there is some corrosion and scratches, but in this low a grade, coins sometimes get a "pass", and it might get a straight PO01 grade.

    That being said, some of the scratches are rather egregious, showing orange copper underneath, which draws a bit more attention to them.

    I think it's kind of a moot point. People are accustomed to seeing early copper with "details" grades. And anything that's still collectible in such a low grade and/or poor state of preservation (as this certainly is), it's not going to matter much.

    It's still an early half cent, and as such, it's going to have people who are interested in it, regardless of whether it's straight-graded or not, or what the technical grade is.

    Would it win any beauty contests? Certainly not. But is it a cool, scarce piece of early copper? You bet.

    The only issue I see here is if somebody wants it for a lowball set and absolutely must have a straight PO01 TPG grade with no "details" notation. It might or might not get that.
     
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  6. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    I'm going to go with straight PO 1. Varying degrees of scratches occur in circulation so it's expected and considered when grading. The example you show may be a little bit more deliberate but I think it might just pass.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I agree. Those were exactly my thoughts, but as usual, it just took me a lot more words to say them. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    agreed
     
  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    If you can't read the date it won't grade.
    Scratches also make it details.
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    That’s not entirely true. It’s true that the date has to be identifiable, but that doesn’t necessarily have to be from reading the date. Some dates and mints in some series can be identified without necessairlly having a visible date.
     
  11. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    some scratches are also allowed at lower end circulated grades as well
     
  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Thank you. So if you can grade a dateless coin from identifying markers,
    P-01 details.
     
  13. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    FR02 Details. Too much corrosion.
     
  14. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Fr 2 details. Too porous for a straight grade
     
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