Straight G Business Strike 1964 Half From Philly Mint ?

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So I have a PCGS Sample Slab that I've found to be what I've seen referred to as Sample 7 from sampleslabs.com .

Anyways, after I received it I didn't really look at the coin much but eventually I found a minute to admire it and noticed that it certainly has the RDV-001 Reverse found on the Accented Hair Proofs. I started my search, and have searched through this forum only to find the same things to be "common knowledge" on this transitional variety.

Now, I have seen that they're found on Proofs with the ODV-002 normal Obverse frequently, but not enough to say it's a normal occurrence. I have also read and searched to see that a Denver minted die pairing is even more frequent. However, I have yet to find much on the Philadelphia business strikes and all that comes up is the proofs in a more elaborate search. I haven't been able to locate another on auction through the plethora of Kennedy's for sale on different sites. I know that the Kennedy Book notes that the ODV-002/RDV-001 die pairing has been found on all 3 coins, but just can't find any further info on Philly business strikes specifically. Is this just as "common" as the ones from Denver?

 

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Welcome to CT. I really can't comment on these Kennedy Halves.

 

Great name. LOL
I am not sure about all the die pairings.
I believe @chascat
@jtlee321
@robec helped out the last time I had a question.

 

I wish I could help. I only recently found out there were transitional varieties within the business strikes using reverse dies formerly only used for the AH reverse. I am only familiar with the Proof Accented Hair variety makers.

 

Yes they do appear to be pretty common. A quick look over on CoinFacts images shows quite a few with the RDV-001 on the Philly coin. While they are interesting, I have not seen any premiums on them.

 

With all due respect, common seems to be the wrong word to describe the die pairing. While I just looked and definitely spotted the handful you were referring to, I think that number of "common" coins still may be less than the number of MS67's reported that carry hefty premium. If I were to base the rarity from coinfacts, I would say that the likelihood of finding the particular die pairing in any condition would be as likely or less of finding an MS67 or better, which is valued based on the population. I agree there doesn't seem to be much interest to most for whatever odd reason, but I don't believe this is common even on the Denver issues. I know I could be wrong, but I would really like to know if anybody is familiar with actual numbers on how many are believed to exist from each mint.

 

Perhaps you should look at the MS-65's. Of the 101 MS-65 1964-P Kennedy Half Dollars shown on CoinFacts (which is a common grade) 19 are the RDV-001. I'd call 1 in 5 common, as would any other numismatist. The reason there is not much information on them, is they are common and nobody collects them as a variety. You have the same odds of finding one among the 1964-P Kennedy's as you would if you were collecting say 1999-P Connecticut State Quarters. 5 different designs for that year, so 1:5 chances of finding one from all the 1999-P dated quarters.

They are not a variety, but they could be classified as a Type 1 and Type 2 reverse. Maybe someday they will be listed that way as opposed to just RDV-001 and RDV-002.

 

I suppose I would be a fool to argue. 1:5 isn't the rarest of chances to find one. Odd that it's not a variety considering the reverse was intentionally manufactured for proofs and is found on Business coins but after looking into what you brought to my attention, it is what it is. Thanks for your help!

 

I have found a few 1964 Regular Business Strike Kennedy Halves with the Type 1 Reverse. Besides that, the Obverse on some of these coins seem to have some of the same markers ( although more weakly ) as the so-called Special Strike coins ( which seem to be so valuable ). My guess is that the Regular Business Strikes with the Type 1 Reverse were struck with the same die pairs as the so-called Special Strike coins. They just didn't strike them twice or use special blanks. Just a theory. My finds of the Type 1 Reverse in Regular Business Strikes seem to be about 1 in 10.