hello, my question is are there any 1943 doubled dies that anyone knows of and if so are they rare. thank you for reading
Just weak "4"s Just weak "4"s are in my collection plus the usual pretty stuff. My 1st attraction to coins began with 1943 steelies. If DDs are out there I'm willing to look. Most often, though, is the funky, under the steel bursting through the zinc. It makes for a lot of unique presentation in hand.
There are no doubled dies that I am aware of, but the is a rpm (D/D) that can run more than a buck or two.
FWIW, this one sold last year on Heritage for $14,950 (MS67); http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1118&Lot_No=241 and there is an MS65 on eBay tight now; http://cgi.ebay.com/PCGS-1943-D-D-M...mQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item3a57000247
I don't know if there are any doubled dies, but there are a ton of machine doubled, die deterioration doubled, and "doubled during reprocessing" steel cents out there.
Of course there are doubled dies, I am perplexed why no one knows this. There's a big one in the CPG, DDO-001, with probably the biggest class VI spread of any Lincoln cent... Just look at Coppercoins.com for 1943 P, D & S DDOs and DDRs...
There are, but most people look at reprocessed (replated cents) and think that the strange doubling effect caused by the plating makes the coin a doubled die. Post a picture and we can easily tell you what you have. Thanks, Bill
Your coin shows die fatigue in the form of Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD) on the date and mintmark (and maybe) Machine Doubling (MD) on the 4, but the 4 could also be DDD - I would have to see the coin to know for certain if it was MD or DDD - of course it really doesn't matter. What that boils down to is that the coin shown has no extra premium and is actually very common for 1943 Lincolns...
In the Cherrypickers Guide on page 111 has 1943P doubled die obv (1-0-VI) FS 1C-018.97 Value then XF=$95, AU= $150, ms63=$250. Also a 1043d/d Repunched mintmark (RPM#1) FS# 1c-019 value then MS63=$100, MS 65= $200 next 1943d/d Repunched mintmark (RPM#13) FS# 1c 019.1, value then XF=$5, AU=$10, MS63=$25 next 1943s doubled die obv (1-0-IV) value MS63=$75 That's all in my book. I hope this helps. -O)
Actually, The coin listed as GEM BU is nothing of the sort. It is a perfect example of the re-processed cents that I was talking about. It was replated after it was cleaned long after it left the Mint. The way the plating was applied created that doubling effect. It also clogged the mint mark and gave that "rounded" appearance to the digits of the date. I hope you didn't pay MS money for it. These are worth about fifteen cents a piece. OH, it is not a doubled die and this coin has almost nothing to do with die fatigue and everything to do with being reprocessed. Thanks, Bill Thanks, Bill
Bill, I have never bought the argument that plating a coin could create an effect that looks like MD. I have seen re plated steel Lincolns with and with out the doubling; I figured it was either a coincidence or someone who made a career out of reprocessing them just had a taste for coins with MD. Is there an article somewhere hypothesising about it? I'm not buying it without empirical evidence of some sort... Jason
Naval Jelly will definately cause this, I know first hand. Its almost like it lifts the zinc layer and shifts it. I know this because I had a ton of rusty steel cents and naval jelly is a rust remover...
Jason, Sometimes this kind of reprocessing involved dipping the coin into a material that would adhere to the coin. The way the coin was dipped would cause the excess material to pool to one side of the details making the thing look doubled. It's kinda like a bad chroming job when a car bumper is rechromed. Some types of reprocessing involved spraying a material over the surface of a coin and that method also caused a pooling effect around the letters and details creating a doubled appearance. Some that were done well do no show this doubling effect but cheaper jops of reprocessing these things did cause a look of doubling. Bill In any case, the BU coin up there is a reprocessed cent and is worth ZIP.
