Special proof or MS????

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  1. coinguy-matthew

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's quite simple, the TPGs merely changed how they labeled the coins. There is no difference.
     
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  4. Derick

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    I was looking at a similar thing with some Canadian dollars. Why would they change? Still not quite clear Doug.
     
  5. coinguy-matthew

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    I didnt think so but i was confused, thanks Doug.....:)
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not clear ? You can see the coins yourself, they are obviously the same, and yet they have different labels - one MS and one SP. They changed their labels. As to why, you can ask them but it's usually nothing more than marketing. They've changed labels several times just so they could different than NGC, they do it to set themselves apart, make themselves different. And in turn, NGC does the same kind of thing. For example, one uses UCAM and one uses DCAM - and yet they both mean the exact same thing.

    That's all this is.
     
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  7. CamaroDMD

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    Does SP stand for "special proof?" I always thought "SP" was short for "special" meaning they were special business strikes. I agree that it's just marketing by the TPG...but they coins aren't really proofs...right?
     
  8. Derick

    Derick Well-Known Member

    SP is for a specimen coin NGC and PCGS.

    From NGC;
    "Proof issues incorporate the same grades. Proof coins will be so noted with the use of the prefix PF for all grades 1 through 70. Less commonly, but where appropriate, coins displaying proof characteristics indicative of special handling that are not true proofs are described with the grade prefix PL, prooflike, or SP, specimen"
     
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