Spanish coin - what is it?

Hi,
Could you write me something about this spanish coin?
Thank you.
NY

 

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I've never seen anything quite like it...

Ben

 

to CoinTalk nyhariel.

What is there about that ancient coin or replica that makes you think it's Spanish

 

That reverse design looks a bit like the Lion of Cyprus.

 

Acanthite,that lion is the symbol of both the Kingdom of Cyprus & of its ruling dynasty,the Lusignans,who ruled right up until 1489,when Queen Catherine Cornaro (who was Venetian) abdicated in favour of the Venetian Doge.

Here's an article; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Cyprus .

Aidan.

 

Thanks for the confirmation on that, Aidan. I can't place the coin, however, nearly all of the Cypriot coins from this era have a cross potent or cross formée on the reverse.

 

The man on the portrait looks like Carlos I, the later cesar Carolus V - Roman Empire of the German Nation. The first two leters probably are C A, next: the round legend is D.G.V.IMP. and probably HIS. HIS is taken from HISPANIORUM, so I think it is spanish. But I`m not sure if this way is right.

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Nyhariel,King Carlos I of Spain ruled from 1506 to 1556,so Doug's right about it not being from Cyprus.I should have known better to check the legend more closely.

Aidan.

 

In the meantime I`ve made my own ivestigation. Look at the results: the last coin on www.oude-aandelen.nl/nijmegenmunt/karelv.htm site. Very similar! In pos. 3 is the same round legend: CA D.G.V.IMP.HIS. What do you think about it? I wander if somebody knows flamands language?

 

Nyhariel,Belg_Jos knows the Flemish language,as he is from Belgium.

Aidan.

 

From what I can make out it looks like there's a possibility it's a counterfeit. If an original it was minted at Antwerp.

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Ben

 

I'm not very convinced that the lion symbol is similar. I agree with Doug that on review it is also different from the Lion of Cyprus. There is a level of detail in the lion figure that seems discordant with the figure on the obverse.

 

I'll translate the text of the Dutch site about the copper coin nyhariel mentioned:
Korte, or 2 mite; copper 1.92 gram 20 mm diameter
Obverse: text in full is:Carolus Dei gratia Romanorum Imperator Hispaniarum rex and means: Charles, by the grace of god, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, king of Spain.

Then there is the description of the different varieties of obverse and reverse.

The last alinea says:
The copper kortes of Gelderland (Gelre), minted in the name of Charles V, are alike the others from the Southern Netherlands. The coins with mintmarks hand, lilly and star are minted in Antwerp, Flanders(Bruges) and Maastricht. For Gelderland there is the mintmark cross.
There exists contemporary forgeries which look quite different.

The writer of the note about the coin which is depicted there has his doubts of the depicted coin being genuine.

 

Coin is made of copper, 20 mm diameter. As you remember, the legend is: (CA). D.G.V.IMP.HI(S), so it seems to be the coin described in pos. 3 on www.oude-aandelen.nl/nijmegenmunt/karelv.htm :
GH 198-4b; vdCh 20.13; PW 1002: 1550, 1555 (RR).
Vz.: + CAˇ Dˇ Gˇ Vˇ IMPˇ HISPˇ REXˇ 55
The date on the left side of legend seems like 55.
Best regards. NY

 

Done.

 

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