Some serious die failure. Any thoughts?

Found this while searching a box of nickels. Not sure if that's how it was minted or the piece fell off sometime during 1980 and now. How much would something like this fetch? Any input or advise will be greatly appreciated.

Reverse

Obverse

 

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Posting lessons anyone?

 

I'd say some 1 cut it, but would like to see images of the rim

 

I highly doubt that.

 

I would not expect a smooth juncture at the break point if this were a planchet failure and as such, which I stated in the "other thread", expect that is evidence of PMD.

 

What is the weight? I'm suspecting some kind of strikethrough error. The surface appears too smooth for a planchet defect. Something had to be in that area when the coin was struck or the obverse would not have struck up. And a strike through could leave the surface smooth. If it is a strike through I would expect the weight to be near normal. (This can be a problem though because the tolerance on the five cent is rather "loose".)

 

My guess would be a lamination. It looks like the coin might be split further back on the rim on both sides of the anomalie. However, there are a lot of things not making sense to me.

 

Rim image would help

 

so whats your answer, young lad

 

Like RML cents said, it seems like a die lamination. I had forgotten the word for it at the time of my reply.

 

I think its like 19yds said, (pmd) if we could see an image of the rim, then we could see if it was cut, someone could of done this with a press, or something like that nature

 

The absence of weakness on the obverse face eliminates any kind of planchet defect from consideration. The absence of finning of the obverse rim opposite the recess is inconsistent with a struck through error. I suspect we're looking at an act of vandalism.

 

Here's the first thread regarding this coin which shows the obverse.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/some-serious-die-failure-any-thoughts.248916/#post-1949073

 

I ran 1 of theses machines for my friend, about 25 yrs ago, its the perfect tool, for the job

 

I see the evidence of what appears to be a slice/cut under the "A" that extends in a bit. I have a question about the material folded over at about 8 o'clock though. Was that reminints of the orginal cut/ break folded back over on to the coin and worn down into it over time? Just asking

 

Next to the U and N.

 

I got it! A failed attempt at a magicians coin. The slice went bad, just a thought.

 

I think that magicians coins are "machined".

For example, take two coins. Machine the obv side of one by removing everything within the rims down to one third the thickness of the coin. Then, move the cutter in a 1/16 of an inch and continue machining down to 2/3 the thickness of the coin. This creates a hollow with a step for the cap to rest on.

The other coin gets the edges machined upto the rims. Then the uneeded side (the rev), gets machined off until its one third the thickness of the coin. This would create a cap which would fit inside the hollow of the first coin.

I do not think that the capability exists to "slice" metal although that area you're referring to does look suspicious.

 

That it is why I said a failed attempt
It is amazing how they did that for spies back in the forties!!!! The famous spie nickel had two separate coins I believe. One observer and then another coins reveverse and hollowed out.

 

Sorry darn spell check! That was obverse and reverse