I have some added pics on a coulple of coins I posted yeterday,and another different type error on the third cent, I'm getting various opinions on what to call them, these pictures might be a little better, do you know what I should lable them?
Hey coinic, That 1984 is just a damaged coin. No value other than a cent. Can you get a pic of the 1989D from directly above rather than an angle? I still think it's not an error but you have peaked my interest. If Mike Diamond or Bill reads this post they can better tell you about why the copper plating does this. I seem to keep forgetting why. Thanks, Michael
As previously posted, the 1958-D cent has a Die Chip extending to the Northeast from the upper portion of the "1" in the Date. The 1989-D and 1984-P Cents both have suufered some kind of enviromental damage that has eaten into and through the Copper plating thus exposing the Zinc core to futher damage. This causes the raised areas on the coin as the Copper plating separates from the Zinc core. Frank
I agree with Frank. But, it is slightly possible that the 1989 D is a repunched mintmark. If so, it is a nice one. Most likely not, there is some bubbling of the surface in other areas, and could be environmental damage. Frank
Michael, I think I am going to do it this way Frank#1 and Frank#2: both always have good post but I am old and it it less for me.
Frank, I took another look at the 1989-D Cent and I still say that it is enviromental damage! However, the bubbling (separation of the Copper plating from the Zinc core) began quite differently than it did on the 1984-P Cent. The 1984-P Cent definitely made contact with something that ate holes in the Copper plating, thus exposing the Zinc core to futher damage and separation of the Copper platng which caused the bubbling. Hiowever, the 1989-D Cent was struck in such a way that did actually cause the "D" Mintmark to look like it was Repunched and which actually caused a small separation (crack) in the Copper plating and exposed the Zinc core to enviromental damage. Once the damage starts, it continues to grow and get worse with time. This type of damage is typical of many of the 1989-D Cent that you will find in circulation. I do not know the exact cause but I am sure that Mike Diamond can offer some info on the matter*. Note how the approximate outer 1 to 4 mm of the surface toward the rim is somewhat flattened while the remaining inner portions of the coin appear to be raised. Well, the "D" Mintmark and sometimes the Date are directly in the separation area between the two. Many times, you will find a 1989-D Cent that looks to have doubling on the Date or some of the Lettering and if the Copper plating suffers a small crack in it in this area, then the enviromental damage will begin to start it's work. *I am not sure if this was caused by a poor Copper plating mixture, a poor Zinc core mixture, over adjustment of the Dies or what but I see it all of the time and have many, many 1989-D Cents with the same type of damage. The Other, Other Frank
The Other, Other Frank: "This type of damage is typical of many of the 1989-D Cent that you will find in circulation." I acknowledge your comments, since I have never done a date by date study. Not sarcastic, but do you really mean that the 1989-D is more prone to this? If so, this is a very interesting fact, and may have been as a result of problems at the Denver mint that year. Do you find that this year and mint has this problem more than others? It would be an interesting study. Consider that in fifty or so years, this date may, then, be a condition rarity. Just some thoughts. The Other Frank
The Other Frank. Yes, as far as I can remember, I have only seen this phenomenon on the 1989-D Cents and not on the 1989-P or 1989-S (Proof) Cents! Similar problems have occurred on other Dated cents but seems to be mainly the 1989-D minted cents were affected the most. I am not sure if this was a result of a problem with the Zinc planchets, the Copper plating or a Die adjustment or equipment problem. The Other, Other Frank
Frank & Frank, You both can't be the other Frank, so Huntsman your are Frank#1 and Treashunt you are Frank#2 Best wishes FRANK:smile :smile
Great laugh for me, thanks The Other Frank and The Other Other Frank. The Other Other Frank has 2 middle names. Thats kinda rare as well. Only the second person I know of with that.
Sheesh and I bet we are both from predominately Irish decent as well!!!!???? Howabout it, Treashunt (The Other Frank or Frank # 2)??? Heck, even I am getting confused who I am!!!! My remaining lineage is English, Dutch and Cherokee Indian but there may be more. Does that make me a Mutt? My last name is Ferrell which derived from Farrell, Farrel, Ferrel, etc. and before that O'Farrel and O'Farrel which derived from Ferghail or Ferghal (meaning Man of Valour). Frank #1, the Other, Other Frank (Maybe Frank also will work!!!!)
Frank (aka Frank #1, the Other, Other Frank (Maybe Frank also will work!!!!)) Well, I am Italian & Hungarian, with a drop of other stuff, so, I am also a mutt (or a suma-- suma this, and suma that). Frank #2, The Other Frank, Itralian Frank
My favorite word is "Whatever" so I could be the Whatever Frank! Can I call you the What's A Matter For You Frank? Frank
Actually the proper term is "What's a matta you." Hey, ain't cha ever bin to Brooklyn? Or what? "What's a matta you, Frank."
#1 & #2 You know when Roy gets up from his nap I think he is going to say something :loud: Roy it's my fault I started this not Frank #1 or Frank #2. please forgive me it's xmas time
