Some help with an Alexander drachm please

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  1. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Hello ladies and gentlemen,
    I have this drachm
    Described by the auction house just with these details:
    "Kings of Macedon. Kolophon (?). Alexander III "the Great" 336-323 BC.
    Drachm AR 17 mm., 3,75 g."
    I wanted to add in my albums some iconic Greek types and this one is OK but I want to attribute it correctly.
    I had a discussion with @Sulla80 who was very helpful, but I cannot pinpoint an exact attribution.
    Is this possible or is the drachm too worn?
    I knew there are many variants but I wasn't expecting so many.
    From what I read, this coin, being the version with crossed legs, indicates a posthumous issue. I cannot see any symbol under the chair and I don't know what symbol is near the knee.
    Is there a resource (except wildwinds) to help in narrowing down the attribution?

    Many thanks in advance.
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  3. JayAg47

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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I use , also.
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  5. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Thank you!
    I could have spent the next 20 years without noticing the spear, i thought that is just the exterior of the design.
    I was just about to say that spear head indicates Kolophon mint, but it appears it is used on Magnesia ad Maeandrum coinage as well.
    Plus the bee.
    I didn't know there are so many mints and variants for these drachms.
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  6. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    20 years wouldn't have been enough for me - nice call @JayAg47! The bee looks like a good fit with the left side "smudge" too. Price 1936 Magnesia ad Maeandrum :
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  7. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

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  8. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Truth be told, I think the reverse is too far gone to be of much help. Your best bet is going to be to find an obverse die match, IMO. All I can say about this one is that the obverse is of good style, and it looks like it's probably a posthumous issue to me.
  9. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I think @JayAg47 was right in the attribution.
    The coin is not in the best shape, but I like it and I think the price was very good for me, as I only wanted 1 example (for now) of this iconic coin.
  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Figuring out Alexander-type drachms can be difficult. I use a Google Image search - Alexander drachm spear - this usually pulls up an auction, Coin Talk post or Vcoins listing, etc. that has the Price, Müller, etc. information I need. This I do because I don't have a very good numismatic library!

    Here is a spear head on one I got this Spring. If the OP has a star to the left by Zeus's knee, this might be a match:

    Macedonia - Alexander type drachm Apr 2020 (0).jpg

    Macedonia Kingdom Drachm
    Menander or Kleitos
    n.d. (c. 322-319 B.C.)
    Kolophon Mint

    Head of Herakles right, wearing lion-skin / AΛEΞANΔPOY, Zeus seated left holding eagle & scepter, star in left field, spear head to outer right.
    Price 1759; Müller 317.
    (4.22 grams / 18 x 17 mm)

    "In the name and types of Alexander III. Kolophon mint. Struck under Menander or Kleitos, circa 322-319 BC."

    Classical Numismatic Group Electronic Auction 466 Lot number: 46 Auction date: 22 April 2020

  11. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Looks more like the bee (Price 1937-38). Will have to check the coin tomorrow in hand, although the auction house pics were good.
  12. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'd agree that's more beelike.

    I hope you don't mind if I pile on to your "unknown Alexander" thread here. A while back I posted one that stumped me and it still stumps me. Nobody was able to help out then, but sometimes a redo can be fruitful.

    Original post:

    I know it is Philip because it says Philip on it, but beyond that I'm stumped.

    Macedonia Philip III Drachm Nov 2018 (0).jpg

    Here's my incomplete attribution/guess:

    Macedonia Kingdom Drachm
    Philip III Arrhidaios
    (c. 323-319 B.C.)
    Thrace-Kolophon mint ?

    Head of Herakles right, wearing lion-skin / FILIPPOU, Zeus seated left, right leg drawn back, holding eagle & scepter, F left, club (?) rt., knife (?) under throne.
    (3.99 grams / 17 mm)

    Here's my attribution scratch sheet for the symbols on this one:

    Reverse Symbols:

    Horse leg under throne slanted right: Pella: Abydus Mint Price 26 (Alexander)

    Horse leg in right field behind legend: Auct & Pella: Abydos Mint Price 25

    Club in right field behind legend: Auct: Sardes Mint Price 2550 (Alexander)

    Theta in left field: Pella: Kolophon mint Price 1816-1819 (Alexander).
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  13. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Is that possibly a ligate AP monogram in the left field?
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  14. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    FYI to everyone, there's a good resource online at for identifying Alexander coinage. I believe it has every Price number, along with photos of at least most of them.
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I never thought of it that way - thanks for the suggestion. That's one of the great things about Coin Talk - suggestions like this help me see coins in a new way. I was stuck on thinking "theta" when indeed, it looks more like an A over a circle, or AP monogram.

    Using this way of looking at it, I did another acsearch/Google Image search, and still I come up with nothing. But I won't give up!

    Thanks again, PeteB, and Merry Christmas.
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