Some early coppers for grading

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1847 - Choice Very Fine
1804 - Very Fine (Cleaned)
1835 - Extra Fine (PCGS would probably ding you for the planchet fissure at 7 o'clock on the obverse)

 

I'll go AU50, VF30 details cleaned (early die state Spiked Chin Variety), and AU58 details cleaned.

 

Anyone else?

 

I grade them -
$35
$40
$25

 

45
VF details
XF details

 

Just so you know, I've sold much worse examples for more than those prices. I'll buy all you got. Oh wait, you have none to sell at those prices.

 

You all may be intrigued to know that all of these are fakes that just came from China. I was rather surprised at their quality nowadays.

These dates were the ones that the die transfer was made from, and are by far the most deceptive.

 

Amazing!

 

I had a feeling that the half cent was fake because of the look of the reverse, but the others fooled me completely. Scary.

 

None resemble products of the US Mint. Not deceptive at all.

 

I would strongly disagree with that statement. If you're fluent in attributions, perhaps it is not deceptive at all, but these would probably fool the other 99% of collectors from these images alone.

 

Then why did you not say anything before I revealed their nefarious origins?

 

I hadn't looked at your reveal. I just looked at the photos and scrolled down to the bottom to respond.

As to needing to be fluent in attributions, I didn't attempt to attribute the large cent or the spiked chin. The reverse rim of the 1835 is a giveaway as is the overall mushy appearance of the large cent. The rims of the spiked chin also look bogus, and they tooled the spike away, but not the protruding tongue.

Yes, I'm obviously a copper specialist. Because of that I know that there are a large number of fakes out there, and I'm very careful when I look at any coin these days.

The July Coin World First Grade addresses this issue on page 36. Fahey has a great recommendation.

 

To me, the Large Cent is the most deceptive of them all. The only thing I see is the way the hair on top of her head doesn't connect fully with the LIBERTY crown area. Other than that, it's an exceedingly convincing fake. Thanks for posting these @TypeCoin971793 !

 

The draped half cent looked fake to me, but I was fooled by the other two, especially the classic half.

On the 1847 the AU hair detail didn't match what was going on with the rest of the coin and I couldn't decide on a grade.... makes sense now.

Thanks for posting.

 

The 1835 is by far the easiest to spot of the three, mainly because of the reverse. The obverse has a lack of definition, particularly around the devices.

Weight is 5.2g.

I like to call it "fuzzy," because the surfaces of the devices have an as-struck fuzziness about them, and the edges of the devices are not sharply defined. It is most easily seen through a loupe.

Weight is 10.3g.

The edges of these couns tell the whole story. They appear to be made by modern machinery, and are all struck in collars. The half cents would not be struck in collars (at least not the earlier ones), so they are inconsistent with mint practices.

The spike is there, but somewhat hard to see in the pictures. They also made 1802 and 1803 half cents with a spiked chin before they figured it out and tooled the spike away. The reverse die used by the Chinese is the same for all of the draped bust half cents, and the diagnostic is the crack under 200. The dates are all wrong for all of these except the 1804, which is why I posted it first.

Weights for these are 5.3-5.5g.

 

hah, Sorry that I was late, but I was (really, truly) going to say fakes.

 

I knew something was wrong with them.

I have to get myself into a more pessimistic mode.

 

You know what you're talking about! Must be an EACer.