sol and captive

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  1. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    Constantine sol with captive/ most types are only with sol _DSC6552.JPG _DSC6554.JPG
     
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  3. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Great detail on Sol. Nice coin.
     
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  4. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Constantine Sol Rome.png
    Here's my Constantine Sol
     
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  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Love the details on that little captive guy!
     
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  6. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    me to:)
     
  7. Daniel_R6

    Daniel_R6 Well-Known Member

    As others have said, some lovely detail on the reverse. Nice addition.
     
  8. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    the captive from Rome shows numismatic evidence of the civil war between Constantine and Licinius. There were two other Sol types struck in this period (A.D. 316- 317) and these two, along with the captive type, were only struck in the name of Constantine.

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    Constantine I
    A.D. 316
    18x19mm 3.5gm
    IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; laureate, draped, cuirassed
    SOLI INVICTO COMITI DN; Sol rad., stg. L., raising r. hand, globe in l., chlamys across l. shoulder.
    in left field *, in right crescent.
    In exergue RT
    RIC VII Rome 46

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    Constantine I
    A.D. 316
    20x21mm 3.5 gm
    IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG laureate, draped, cuirassed
    SOLI INVICT COM DN Sol rad., stg. L., raising r. hand, Victory on globe in l., chlamys across l. shoulder. in left field *, in right crescent.
    In exergue RQ
    RIC VII Rome 49
     
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  9. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Very nice!
     
  10. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    So Victor, do you think that by adding the DN in the reverse legend Constantine was claiming the exclusive favor of Sol? Interesting for someone who had supposedly converted to Christianity by that time. Hedging his bets, perhaps?
     
  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Beautiful OP. Excellent detail.

    Captives pop up unexpectedly on some other coins of Constantine, too. Here's an example of the well-known Jupiter type with a captive:
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    Bronze half nummus
    Nicomedia mint, A.D. 321-324
    RIC 43
    Obv: IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI - Jupiter, leaning on eagle-tipped scepter, holding Victory on globe; eagle with wreath at feet to right, captive to left
    SMNB in exergue; X over IIM (truncated) in right field
    19 mm, 2.7 g.

    And one of my favorite appearances of captives, in the exergue, of all places:
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    Lugdunum (Lyons) mint, A.D. 320
    RIC 79 (var.)
    Obv: CON-STANTINVS AVG
    Rev: VICTORIAE LAET PRINC PERP - Two Victories holding shield inscribed VOT/PR above altar
    P[2 captives]L in exergue
    19 mm, 3.2 g.
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    SOL:

    REPUBLIC:

    RR Mussidius Longus 42 BCE AR Den Rad Sol Platform CLOACIN S 494 Cr494-42.jpg
    RR Mussidius Longus 42 BCE AR Den Rad Sol Platform CLOACIN S 494 Cr494-42

    EMPIRE:
    RI Maximinus II Daia 305-308 CE AE20 Genius stndg bust of Sol cornu star H RIC IV 164b.jpg
    RI Maximinus II Daia 305-308 CE AE20 Genius stndg bust of Sol cornu star H RIC IV 164b
     
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  13. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    This is a nice example of a fun type. There were several in the Bag o Romans and they were all a little different,which made them interesting.
     
  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have the two captives surrounding a standard type:

    constantine1.jpg

    constantine2.jpg

    Uncleaned hoard coin, with a hole punched in it...
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CAPTIVES:
    Roman REPUBLIC:


    RR Cloelius 98 BC Quin Jupiter F dots Victory Gaul captive Q Cr 332-1c S212.JPG
    RR Cloelius 98 BC Quinarius Jupiter F dots Victory Gaul captive Q Cr 332-1c S212

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    RR Fundanius AR Quinarius 101 BCe Marius triumph Jupiter E control Victory captive carnyx Q Sear 205 Craw 326-2

    RR Gellius 138 BCE AR Den Roma wreath Mars fem captive (2) Quad S 109 Cr 232-1.jpg
    RR Gellius 138 BCE AR Den Roma wreath Mars female captive Quadriga Sear 109 Cr 232-1

    RR Aemilius Lepidus Paullus 62 BCE Concordia Perseus Macedon captive Sear 366 Craw 415-1.jpg
    RR Aemilius Lepidus Paullus 62 BCE Concordia Perseus Macedon captive Sear 366 Craw 415-1
     
  16. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I don't think that Constantine was responsible for this legend change, or even knew about it. He appointed mint supervisors who oversaw details like this. This was perhaps a clever way of honoring Constantine and paganism at the same time, while not really deviating from the standard Sol issues.

    Constantine was not even in Rome during the years 316-17; he left in Sept. 315, long before hostilities had begun. Rome was a bit of a special case though, given quite a bit of latitude concerning pagan ideals, nicely evidenced by the continuing yearly issue of Festival of Isis coinage, some rare examples with Constantine on the obverse.
     
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