Skyline Coins, Paul Sims, John Paul Sarosi, Coast to Coast Coins, and The Coin Depot all sell dipped, re-engraved, whizzed, and cleaned XF-AU coins as "Premium Quality Brilliant Uncirculated." If there weren't newbies to be ripped off, these losers would be out of business.:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: Charlie PS. On a positive note, the Shop at Home TV network that hosted "The Coin Vault" is going out of business.:thumb:
How is that positive? I had so many laughs from those clowns at Coin Vault. By the way, wasn't the guy who stabbed himself with a cheap sword a Coin Vault host?
If you can post pictures of them, we might be able to tell you if they were cleaned or not. 99% of what Paul Sims sells is dipped out junk. Charlie
Here ya go: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/314000-314999/314853_175_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/314000-314999/314853_176_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/314000-314999/314853_177_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/314000-314999/314853_178_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/314000-314999/314853_179_full.jpg
Nick, Unfortunately those quarters you posted are dipped XF-AU's. You can tell because they have wear on the high points, and have no mint luster left. Charlie
Exactly what I thought. I knew the luster was gone from these when I got them. I should have sent them back upon receiving them. You live and learn. :headbang: Oh, and Charlie, thanks for the warning about these companies. I know my dad has bought coins from them too. You should be able to tell by feeling these coins too. They have a wierd texture to them if they have been dipped, I know that because I've done it myself. Thanks again!
Nick, Unless those coins have some original luster that isn't showing in your pics I would agree that they are XF/AU dipped coins. I have a half that looks just like that that is a result of being lightly circulated and then dipped.
one thing you could look for is a dealer who is a member of the PNG. The entry requirements are pretty high and they do a decent job of policing their own.
It's not just Coin vault The entire Shop At Home TV Network will be taken off the air June 22,not just Coin Vault. Here is the story.:hammer: http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2006/05/15/daily10.html
I was only wondering and waiting when they were going to take them off the air. Thank goodness, those prices are/ were ridiculously high.
Don't most of these companies advertise in Coin News, Numismatic News, or CoinAge ? Can I infer that these publications have no standards for advertisers ?
That is correct. Since they are making lots of $$$ off of these advertisers, they don't really care that the advertisers are cheating people. Charlie
I'm not criticizing them. These publications have a lot of advertisers, and I don't expect them to investigate each and every advertiser. The best I think they could feasibly do is possibly implement a subscriber feedback scheme similar to eBay's. Or maybe they could make random purchases and publicize the results of what was advertised versus what they received. On the other hand, it's probably not necessary. There are forums such as this one to keep folks informed. Of course, that's a less methodical approach. All it takes is one advertiser making one bad sale to one very vocal buyer, and that buyer might scare off a large number of potential buyers with a neverending tirade against the seller. I don't think we would see that here much, but on some web sites where users collect universally.
I still feel like they stole my money. I thought I was getting genuine BU coins, not cleaned damaged coins. I feel like I got screwed and there is nothing I can do about it. It makes me sick. All I can say is thanks for the warning about these guys, it will save me from buying any more from them.
Most advanced collectors don't buy from those mail order companies that advertise in publications. Unfortunately many collectors never advance beyond that level. Real collectors attend shows regularly, usually belong to clubs, and are familiar with nearby shops. Most mail order customers fall into the "armchair collector" category. Although to be fair we must remember that many rural areas don't have shops or shows so mail order and/or internet purchases are the only way to acquire coins. It's just a shame that people are duped into overpaying for coins, whether through the mail or not. Nick
