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Discussion in 'World Coins' started by jlblonde, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    The San Bernardino County Sheriff Dept has requested identification of this coin and it's value for an up coming unclaimed property auction.
    I can't seem to find it. Any help will be appreciated.
    Thx,
    Joe




    Old Spanish Coin 1.JPG Old Spanish Coin 2.JPG
     
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  3. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Sorry about the title of this post. Something unexplained happened when I submitted the post.
     
  4. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    Ferdinand and Isabela. Spain. 1 or 2 reales.
     
  5. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Thank you, Sir.

    But we also need a catalogue number and price. Any clues?
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    First you need weight and diameter. :)
     
  7. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    This is all the Sheriff Dept sent. They have the coin in evidence/unclaimed property room.
     
  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    We can't tell the denomination, and thus catalog number and value, without the dimensions.
     
  9. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

  10. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    They just told me it's about the size of an American Eisenhower Dollar. If that helps.
     
  11. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Measurements are most useful in millimeters and grams
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

  13. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Yes I know, but like I stated earlier the coin is in the lock-up and I can't get to it. What info they have given me is what I've shared here.

    I don't have a catalogue for the time period of this coin. Assuming it's the size of a crown, we can determine that it's weight is similar to other issues of that period that are about the same size, minus here and there, and that it's probably 0.9000 silver or so.

    I'm hoping that someone knowledgeable in Spanish coinage from this period may be able to attribute it or at least point me in the right direction.
     
  14. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Thx GDJMSP. I'll send this info to the sheriff's dept. They just wanted a general idea of what the coin is and what it may be worth.

    There were some burglaries in the Redlands, Ca. area and one of the burglars caught had this on him at the time of arrest. The people of this area are well to do and those collectors who were burglarized had many nice collections of foreign crowns and American Morgans that may have been stolen. But so far this coin has not been claimed along with some others. This is the last one that needs attribution after which they will hold a public auction.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't have the books to it up for you either. But they said it's about the size of an Ike, an Ike is 38mm, the 2 reales is 32mm. So it's reasonable it is a 2 reales. Personally, I've never seen one like the one you show. They are all like the one linked to. That is enough to make me worry that it's fake.

    That's is about all I can do for you.
     
  16. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Actually - I'd say it is a 4 Reales, from the Sevilla mint (thus the S - IIII on the obverse). The picture isn't quite clear enough for me to make out the orientation. But I suppose that "SPAIN, Ferdinand and Isabella. AR 4 Reales. Seville mint" should be enough. I would lean heavily towards genuine, but it is of course hard to tell from the pics.

    Hope this helps! :)
     
  17. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Thank you. I think you may be right. :thumb:
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yeah but the Seville mint has a Spanish cross at 12 o'clock above the arrows. The OP's coin has a sunburst. And the legends are different.
     
  19. DCH

    DCH Member

    Usually this is true. This type, Cayon 2808(with an I near arrow points) does not have the cross.
    *REX REGINA CAST LEGION ARAGO SI

    Legends and design are far enough off that I don't think it's real.

    See an example 5th from the bottom here: http://www.maravedis.net/rrcc_4realespag.html
     
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