Shamefully poor PCGS photo

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by calcol, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Stumbled across the image linked below of an 1802 half eagle, cert. no. 06630159, on PCGS website. Why would they put such an image on their website? Funny thing is there is an ad promoting TrueView photos directly below the image.

    And yes, I know it's an anomaly and likely a miscommunication that it got posted. Phil Arnold is a world-class coin photographer.

    Cal

    Link: http://www.pcgs.com/cert/ 06630159
     
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  3. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Urk. I suspect this coin is long-held with the current owner, and the image predates Phil. He wouldn't let something like this leave the room. :)
     
  4. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Not to mention almost everyone uses the secure service at those price levels now
     
  5. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Apparently the secure holder now have real trueviews, but in the early days they just took a quick and dirty shot of them, and they are not real trueview pictures.
     
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  6. BlackBeard_Thatch

    BlackBeard_Thatch Captain of the Queen Anne's Revenge

  7. robec

    robec Junior Member

    That wasn't so much a quick and dirty shot. Before PCGS provided free TrueViews with all Secure submissions they took a "thumbnail" shot of the coin with a special camera that made it easy to identify individual characteristics of each coin. These photos weren't meant to be used for posting or showing off coins.
     
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  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I was also thinking it was a "Secure Plus™" image, but the holder type says "standard" rather than "secure." Even so, this falls woefully short of the quality of the typical early Secure Plus™ image.
     
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  9. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I think PCGS should just pull the picture... it doesn't do them any good to show it, lol
     
  10. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Here is the Secure plus photo and the Trueview of a coin I used to own.

    The style looks very similar to the OP's photo

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  11. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Possibly some automated imaging system that they used to have, perhaps part of a security or tracking system. In the receiving room, coin may have been placed in the imager as soon as it was unboxed. Later, someone had the idea to put the pics online in the web certification verification section. Just guessing.

    Cal
     
  12. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    My thoughts exactly
     
  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Switching secure photos to trueviews was one of the best decisions they have ever made. That beauty deserves better
     
  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    The "Image" is from PCGS's scanner which is used to reference coins previously submitted.

    The quality is poor to the human eye but quite useful to the computerized scanner that PCGS uses.

    It is NOT a trueview nor is it even a photograph.

    Below is one of the Secure plus scans:
    PCGS 16057816_O.jpg

    Until the coin was upgraded and trueviewed, this is the image which appeared on the Cert Verification page.
     
  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Judging from the luster (or the lack thereof), it appears AU.
     
  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You can't tell luster from the photo or scan or whatever that is. Robec already showed an example of one of those vs a real picture demonstrating that
     
  17. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Trial strike/picture........
     
  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    You know, I can see some solid basis for precise coin identification in both that image and the repetitive, duplicable control over imaging technique a scanner can offer. Interesting. Very interesting.
     
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