Septimius Severus - Venus reverse

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  1. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I now have a couple of different examples of this oddity. A Venus reverse type normally associated with Julia Domna produced for Septimius Severus.

    Septimius Severus denarius

    Obv:- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II, laureate head right
    Rev:- VEN-ER VICT, Venus standing left, holding apple in right hand; sceptre in left
    Emesa mint. Struck 194-195 AD.
    References:- RIC IV -; BMCRE -; RSC -.

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    I might just have a go at cleaning this one as the suface adhesions detract from the coin a bit too much for my liking.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I would be interested in the after photos if you decide to clean this one.
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Yeah, I may actually give that a go with a bit of adhesion removal. At first I thought it wa a fouree.
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see nothing particularly odd about the coin. Emesa did not see anything wrong with using female types for male rulers and vice-versa. Mainstream scholars of the last century decreed that Rome mint rules must be followed at Eastern mints or the coins must be classified/ignored as barbarous. They were wrong.
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    Alexandria did it, too.
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    Whether these were accidents or on purpose will be hard to prove. There are many rare variations from these mint so the fact that we don't have a lot of them does not prove anything. Can you show a Domna obverse that die links to any of these reverses? That I would like to see.

    Obviously my interest in this subject is more in the Domna coins with male reverses (mostly military). Even coins with COS dates on the reverse are not mules, IMO, unless you can prove that the mint saw anything odd about pairing reverses as was convenient when necessary. Mules are accidental. There are too many of these to be accidental.
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  6. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    How do you plan to clean it? Denarii from this time period had a pretty high copper content, so I hope you plan to avoid using anything acidic.
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here's a Domna from Emesa with the VENER VICT reverse type:

    Domna Emesa VENER VICT denarius.jpg
    Julia Domna, AD 193-211
    Roman AR Denarius; 2.74 gm, 18.2 mm
    Emesa, AD 193-197 Obv: IVLIA DOMNA AVG, bare-headed and draped bust, right
    Rev: VENER VICT, Venus standing left, holding apple and scepter
    Refs: RIC 630; BMCRE 422, RSC 188a; RCV --
     
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