Seems my eyes are too weak today to identify this coin...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Quant.Geek, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Spent several hours categorizing Latin and Thessalonika coins last night and bumped into the following coin. Stared at it for a while and things seems to be off a bit. It should be simple, but the combination of legends, regal year, and mint type seems incorrect based on DOC and Sear. Can someone pitch in and tell me what I am doing wrong? In the surface, I thought it was Sear 239, but now I have doubts. Is it Justinian or Justin II? The regal year and the mint mark seems to not jive...

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  3. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    I'm seeing IVSTINIANVS, though I can't quite determine where the legend break is. I see tHeu in exergue, so Antioch, right? And A/N/N/O X/X/IIII, so year 24?

    SBV 255, DOC 157, or DOC 255?

    Something like this:
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4834060

    But this one has a different abbreviation type for Theoupolis/Antioch.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'm a novice with Byzantine, but didn't Justin II reign for only 13 years? Unless the regnal years on his coins don't begin with his first year, it seems like this coin could not be from Justin II.

    Justinian fits unless is something about the mint and year that I don't understand (for instance, I'm assuming that mint was operational in Justinian's 24th regnal year).

    Is there a free online resource anywhere which lists emperors, their range of regnal years, and which mints were in use during their reign? If so, I'd like to bookmark that page.
     
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  5. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    It's a Dekanummium. Sear Byz 237. Antioch. Justinian..
     
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  6. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    The problem here is that the regal year and the mint name variation does not match for Justinian. By this time, RY 24, the mint mark was based on Class D type coins, whereas the Class F, as indicate on the coin, is Class F which was introduced much later. The only possibility is that there is a missing X on the coin, but I can't see that being the case. See DOC Volume I, page 147...

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    Class F mint mark upload_2018-10-21_14-9-10.png

    You can see the mint mark variation on the coin that @Justin Lee posted:

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  7. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    For regnal years the only ones that fit are 255 and 262. I include 262 because it could be XXXIIII on that small flan. Neither gives a matching exergue, which makes it unlisted in either of the two references I have. I see aaa.JPG does anybody see something else?
     
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  8. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    That is the conclusion I came to. Its an unlisted variation, but wasn't sure. Been looking at so many coins last night that I practically gave up. Was going back and forth with DOC and Sear. Glad I am not going crazy. I also see [​IMG]...
     
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