Scottish Coin???

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by jlblonde, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Hi All,
    Can anyone help ID this coin.
    Reverse side seems to read "Glasgow"
    Any help is much appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Joe

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  3. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

  4. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    That's it. Many Thanks!
     
  5. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    Edited to remove my suggestion. I see the mystery was solved!
     
  6. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Yes, it is a Glasgow farthing from ca 1837 or so. It is actually a municipally issued token. Up until the 1860s the British Royal Mint was somewhat behind in minting enough coin.
     
  7. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Is this coin considered a Conder Token?
     
  8. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    Hey Joe, haven't seen you in awhile.
     
  9. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    Yes, it's been awhile. Nice to be back. I'm glad to see you're still here.
     
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  10. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    It's post Conder era, Conders are considered to be before 1814 when the Crown started cracking down on token issues. This is ca. 1837-9.
     
  11. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    The term "Conders" usually refers to tokens issued from 1787 to around 1804. More specifically, anything that made it into the Dalton & Hamer reference can safely be called a "Conder". The Brits call them "18th Century Provincial Tokens".

    The tokens that were issued largely in 1811-1813 (but from 1811-1820) are indexed in the Paul and Bente Withers reference (British Copper Tokens 1811-1820), not by James Conder or Dalton & Hamer.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    But since the OP example is cited as "DH-48" in the link @alurid provided, it does seem to be in Dalton & Hamer; ergo, could one arguably refer to it as a "Conder"?
     
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  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I should have been more clear. Because the token posted by the OP @jlblonde is indexed in Dalton and Hamer, it is considered a Conder token -- Namely, Scotland/Lanarkshire (DH-45 or DH-48; not really possibly to tell from the rough shape it's in).

    I'm not sure where @scottishmoney got the information that it was from 1837/39? As best I can tell (Transactions of the Glasgow Archaelogical Society; 1891, p. 66.), versions of this token were originally struck well within the Conder era, with some later restrikes issued as late as 1830. D&H does include later restrikes or "re-issues" of a few token designs from up to about 1850 that are similar or the same as those from within the Conder era.

    My first post in this thread was intended as a reply to @scottishmoney , not to @jlblonde . Sorry for the confusion.
     
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