Scarce Florian from Serdica

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by seth77, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Despite his very short reign, Florian issued a great deal of coins. This one is of particular interest because of a little feature that might escape on first sight:


    FLORIAN AE20mm 2.99g (aVF, chipped edges, encrustations)

    AV: IMP C M AN FLORIANVS PIVS F AVG; radiate, cuirassed and draped with paludamentum bust r.

    REV: PROVIDEN DEOR; Fides stg. r., holding standard in each hand, facing Sol stg. l., r. hand raised and holding globe in l. hand; * in middle field.

    EXE: B

    REF: LV 2927, RIC V-1 113, RIC Online #4507 very rare, only 2specs recorded, 2nd issue of the 2nd officina at the mint of Serdica, August 276AD.

    Quite rare issue with an interesting obv. legend ending in PIVS F AVG instead of the usual P F AVG.
    florian pivs.JPG
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sweet new Florian addition, seth ... I always love seeing Sol making an appearance!! (maybe because it's always so fricken cold up here?!!)

    anyway ... I only have one Florian example (but it's pretty sweet) ...


    Florianus Antoninianus
    276 AD
    Diameter: 24 mm
    Weight: 4.2 grams
    Obverse: IMP CM ANN FLORIANVS AVG; draped, cuirassed and radiate bust right
    Rverse: PROV-VIDEN D-EOR /KA G; Providentia holding two standards and Sol holding globe, standing vis-a-vis, star between them
    Reference: RIC 113
    Other: Rare legend

    Florianus a.jpg Florianus b.jpg
     
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  4. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Steve your coin is BNC p.408 and RIC Temp #4484 and a very nice example as such :)
     
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ummm? => RIC 113 is incorrect? (as always, I merely use the seller's crib-notes)

    :panda:

    ... the dude I bought it from was German and he quoted "rare legend" => Antoniniani with full family name (in german its gentiliz, cant find the proper english translation)

    ... sorry, it's all I've got
     
  6. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Most likely, as far as RIC V-1 goes, your coin is a variant of RIC 111.
     
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  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coins, both of you. Here is my only example:
    Florianus1.jpg
    FLORIANUS
    Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP FLORIANVS AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: CONCORDIA MILITVM, Victory standing right presenting wreath to Florian standing left. Q in ex.
    Struck at Cyzicus, 276 AD
    2.9g, 21mm
    RIC 116q
     
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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Thanks for you help, seth-dawg (I will jot your comments down in my notes)

    :rolleyes:

    ... cool addition, Bing (it's got a piece missin' ... kinda like a begger was gnawing at it!! => it's got great street-history)

    ;)
     
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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice find, he's one I still need.
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool examples guys!!! And an interesting tidbit regarding the PF and PIVS F varieties.

    My modest example was purchased a while ago on e-Bay from 'Holding History'....
    DSCF0499.JPG DSCF0500.JPG
     
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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => my amazing example doesn't have any of those fricken letters (according to my German seller => I win!!)

    :woot:
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My copy of RIC V reads PIVS P AVG rather than PIVS F AVG for #113 but perhaps this is a typo since F is what makes sense here. However both of the online examples look a lot like P so it will take some really clear examples to clear that up. I might add that Cohen 73 also reads it as a P. While RIC is the 'standard reference' the online, the online 'temp' listing is 1000% better in every regard except that it only covers V-1 and leave V-2 for another day (or decade???). Steve' coins is definitely one of the RIC 111 varieties.

    Mine? It spells out Annius which should make it #4469
    rx2470bb1805.jpg
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Thanks for the help, fellas .... I made an effort and looked it up myself

    Bust = 6
    Obverse = 10 (IMP FLORIANVS AVG)
    Reverse = 35
    Type = 40

    => and sure enough there it was listed as RIC Vi 111

    :rolleyes:

    I'm not sure if my type is rare, or not (I'm always a bit confused with this part of our hobby => how do we know this missing fact?)
     
  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    There are 15 specs recorded in RIC Temp - http://www.ric.mom.fr/en/coin/4484 - so depending on how you define rarity you might make a guess.
    I'd say that a spec in that condition is most likely scarce and attractive to potential collectors.
     
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  15. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Sweet coin seth, i need to get a Florianus too!
     
  16. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    florian-merged.jpg

    Here is a Florian I'm getting next month for a decent price. I have not attributed the coin yet.
     
  17. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    I've purchased more than a few coins from Holding History Coins.
     
  18. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Same here.
     
  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have a few Florians, primarily Lugdunum, generally common varieties. Here are a couple:-

    Florian Antoninianus
    Obv:– IMP C M AN FLORIANVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– VIRTVS AVGVSTI, Emperor advancing right, holding a shield and spear, treading down captive.
    Minted in Lugdunum (IIII in exe) Emission 3 Officina 4, from September to October A.D. 276
    Reference:– Cohen 107. Bastien 150. RIC 16 Bust type C

    [​IMG]


    Obv:– IMP C M AN FLORIANVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– PACATOR ORBIS, Sol running left, holding up right hand, whip in left
    Minted in Lugdunum (//III) Emission 3 Officina 3. August A.D. 276
    Reference:– RIC 7 Bust type F. Cohen 46. Bastien 137

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Common? Perhaps, but very nice Martin.
     
  21. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    The one I'm going to get apparently is not so common. I saw one in slightly higher grade than mine for over $200. I'm sure it's been sitting at that shop for quite awhile.
     
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