Well it's everyone's favorite PITA question yet again! Any closer on SMS similarities? As far as a pattern specimen..doubtful. The question is more the original "Satin Proof" the 1964 SMS had originally been designated. The dime has the markers such as the comma shaped die dot on the reverse plus all of the polish lines found on the SMS. Also much better detail in Roosevelt's hair which has been previously noted. Luster on both go from a matte look to full on proof with almost an orange peel in the fields depending on angles in the light. Anybody know of any die markers on the known quarters? The photos are direct comparison to both the 1964 and a 1965 SMS set I personally removed from the original cellophane.
You really don't think that dime would be a "Satin Proof"? It's far off from matching a business strike and has the same polish lines and markers I've found documentation of from an SMS owner..
I would just send it in for authentication. If it is it's a 4 figure coin. If they were mine and I was convinced it or they were 64 SMS coins (which you seem to be no matter what anyone here says), they would already be at PCGS, NGC or Anacs.
As far as I'm aware all 1964 SMS coins originally came out of an ex mint directors estate. Imo it's not fair that mint directors get to keep things like this but besides that I don't think that anyone has ever managed to find evidence that they were released in any other way.
Ya you're right I just can't stop questioning it and looking for new markers as I find them. I 100% believe the Dime is so it will go to Anacs next week. If not oh well it's nice either way. It is garbage that Mint workers are always the ones "mysteriously" getting their hands on these types. However it was never proven that they weren't released into general circulation. Considering it took 30 years to come up with the story and nobody knew to keep them, maybe they were spent or can be cherry picked because collectors saw them as sub par proofs or had nicer MS examples. All I have to go off of for post modern satin silver proofs is the 1921 Peace Dollar, which in comparing only photos obviously, looks very similar in finish.
Also..the 1965 Mint Report stated they were going full force on getting the SF Mint back at it to continue striking the 1964's under the coinage act so there's a great chance the 1964 dies were shipped off and refinished for further striking to keep up with demand. Some of those dies were likely worn proof dies and along came the SMS coins. It has been noted several times that they look to be struck from refinished dies. So..in theory, after months of finding pretty much every detail I can, there should be more out there. They have also been noted to strongly resemble the 1965 SMS coins and I can day that the subdued luster is dead on and the strike is much sharper on my 1964 compared to the 1965. Then again, the composition is entirely different so that's why I always question it instead of just sending them out. Just my thoughts on the matter but I will certainly post results when my dime comes back.
I don't think so either the rims aren't very square and although there appears to be some polish lines they don't look nearly as numerous as they do on the actual examples I've seen. CT member @giorgio11 may have the most familiarity among members with these from past threads I've read and I saved this page he posted a link to before https://www.vdbcoins.com/index.php/1964-sms And here's a picture from his site of an actual 64 SMS dime
This one shows the die crack from the hair, through the eye and ending on the bridge of Roosevelt's nose..
And I am by no means claiming an MS68 here. Keep in mind lower grades have been attributed SMS there just aren't many pictures to compare with. I'm wrong it's fine I'm not arguing about it I just wanted to show both obverse and reverse are loaded with polishing lines and share some markers found on the SMS.
The problem is the die scratches on your Roosevelt don't match the ones on the SMS Roosevelt. With only 30-50 struck they would be identical. Since there were so few struck there would be very little degradation with the die.
What markers are you referring to besides the die polishing lines? There seem to be lots of 1964 dated coins that are covered with die polishing lines and die cracks in general. I think the mint took every step to extend the die lives to the maximum in an effort to produce enough coins to help avert the shortage and that's why these things are common.
