Sassanian - Bahram VI?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Finn235, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    If there is one thing I have learned as a casual seller of ancient coins, it is always double check those attributions! Finally decided to sit down at 2:00 AM and sift through my recent winnings from a Triskeles lot - some low grade, common Sassanian and Indo-Scythian silvers. I was working through this ugly "Hormizd IV" when I realized that the obverse astral symbols didn't have a star! Ten minutes' research later, I('m 95% sure I) found it:

    Sassanian Empire
    Bahram VI "Chobin"
    590-91
    AR drachm (4.10g)
    YZ mint (Yazd, Fars)
    Dated RY 1

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    Bahram VI was a prominent general under Hormizd IV, and after the latter's death, he used his immense wealth and influence to usurp the Sassanian throne from Khusro II. He ruled for only one year, as Khusro II promised to return conquered lands back to the Byzantines in exchange for assisting him in reclaiming the throne. Bahram was defeated and fled East to seek asylum with the Turks, however he was soon assassinated by an agent of Khurso II.

    Comments welcome of course - I don't pretend to be an expert in Sassanian coins by any means.
     
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  3. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Well all Bahram VI coins would be Year 1,
    but it looks like yours has the symbol for years 11-19

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  4. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input. I do see what you're saying - this does appear to be RY11, not RY1. However, that still doesn't explain the lack of stars in the obverse die Astral symbols - those are diagnostic of Bahram VI only, all coins of Hormizd IV have stars within the crescents; likewise with Khusro II and successors. Perhaps it could be a mule, or even an imitation?
     
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  5. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Maybe look into Khusro I?
     
  6. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I was looking into this and figured it was probably Khusro I (who did issue coins from the YZ mint). Then I came back here and saw @Spaniard's post. :)

    Here's my Kirman example of Khusro I (RY 22):
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  7. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Very nice example Severus Alexander with lovely detail!
    Here's mine...
    Mint HWC (Gunde-Shapur, Khuzistan) /Left- Regnal year 26 = 557AD.

    @Finn235 I think you might have the longspear version of this ruler tucked away in your collection?
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  8. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Well, now ya both got me convinced. You are absolutely right, it is a plain old ugly Khusro I, year 11. Oh well. :)

    And @Spaniard, I do indeed have an early type Khusro I in my collection with the attendants holding long spears at their sides - still haven't imaged it and don't have a good reason why not!
     
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  9. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here's an early Khusro I, unfortunately a bit damaged. But you can see the long spears and the other little differences of the reverse: the short swords pointing to the altar (they might be mistaken for parts of the altar), no upwards pointing ribbons at the shaft.

    5383 Xusro I.jpg
    AR drachm Khusro I (531-565 AD). Mint GW? = Gurgan. Year 2 = 532. 30.5 mm, 3.33 gr. Göbl I/1.

    As for the OP coin, I made the same mistake with this drachm, it looks acceptable enough but for the hole. I bought it as a Bahram VI but it soon turned out to be different.

    The name of the king (obverse, to the right side of the head) starts with a horizontal festoon ending in a small vertical stop. That's the letter H (= X/ Kh), and Xusro is the only king's name starting with H.

    The date is on the reverse to the left of the fire altar. It contains two '3's (the Pehlevi letter 'd'), and that's enough already, for the only date containing two d's is dvazdah, 12.

    5364 e ct.jpg

    Finally, for your pleasure here's my third and best Khusro I, also a second type:

    AR drachm Xusro I (531-579). Year 22 (= 552). Mint ART = Ardashir Khurra (Firuzabad). 29 mm, 4.18 gr. Göbl 196.

    5363 Xusro I ct.jpg
     
  10. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    @Spaniard, had a little time to image the "long spear" Khusro I. GW mint, I think year 7?

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  11. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Nice looking coin Finn!
    It can only be year 4 or 7 and on close up it certainly looks like year 7..
    I'll have to keep my eyes open for one of these...Paul
     
  12. tian

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  13. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Which details make you suspect a transfer die is involved rather than just a double die match?
     
  14. tian

    tian New Member

    The crown and general wear pattern is same. only transfer die can copy the wear. the chance that both coins were minted by same dies and went through the same amount of wear is slim IMO
     
  15. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Hmm, yes, the wear on the crown is very similar. However I see different wear on the beard, altar, and flames; also extra corrosion on the CNG example, and the typical lack of die-filling due to the shoulders (seen at 9 o'clock on the reverse) is different for the two coins.

    I think if this is a transfer die, someone has gone to a lot of work to create some differences to throw off the scent! More likely not a transfer die IMO, and both are genuine.
     
  16. tian

    tian New Member

    Thanks for details. I also found 2 parthian die matches. What do you think about these? is one of them transfer fake? The strange part is they both have the same die break on obverse.


    https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/an..._gm_12h_ekbatana_mint_vf/1075435/Default.aspx

    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=269561
     
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