How uncommon is this to find the same die break on a 22 peace dollar & a 23 peace dollar? I have a 22-d & was cruising the bay tonight & found a 23 with the same break. It's in AU condition & mine is BU, should I buy the 23, could I get them certified as a die break pair in a 2 coin holder? Who should I use, ANACS? Mine is a problem free coin & the 23 looks the same. Forgive me if this seems like a dumb question, or if this isn't uncommon at all. Just eager to here from some of you before I pull the trigger. Thanks
Finding coins of different dates but of the same series with similar die cracks is not unusual. Think about it for a second, if you repeatedly pound 2 objects that are the same, does it not make sense that when those objects eventually break that they will break at the same place ?
I guess I need a better understanding of the minting process, but I see now what you are saying. I still think it would be pretty cool to have them encased together. Or for that matter, try to find as many as I can to build a date set out of them. Thanks again. Post script, Is there any specific book or site you would recommend to learn more about the minting process?
ANA occasionally offers a mini-seminar entitled 'The Modern Minting Process / US Minting Errors and Varieties" at Summer Seminar. James Wiles is the instructor. (I took this mini-seminar last year and would highly recommend it to every coin collector.) If you cannot attend Summer Seminar you can take the correspondence course. (You must be an ANA member to attend Summer Seminar or take the correspondence course.)
You do NOT have to be an ANA member to attend the seminar or take the correspondence course, but you will have to pay more than an ANA member does. If both coins are from Denver, and the die crack is on the reverse, there may be a slight chance that it is a carryover from one year to the next. (Since the reverse dies aren't dated they can be used in one year and if still in good condition at the end of the year they can continue in use the next year.) Dated obverse dies are destroyed at the end of the year. But like Doug said, since the dies are the same each year they tend to have the same stress points and crack in the same places. But if you closely examine the two coins you will find that the cracks are not exactly the same just similar. Unfortunately even if you could find a carryover reverse pair you couldn't get them holdered together. NGC no longer offers the multi-coin holders except to some bulk submitters.
You may be right but I am looking at the registration form for the 2011 ANA Summer Seminar and where they ask for your ANA member number it clearly says: ANA Membership starts at $28 (less for YNs). If you are spending the bucks to attend Summer Seminar you should be able to afford basic membership. edit _ _ _ _ _ The ANA School of Numismatics Diploma Program (where you take correspondence courses) states: So it looks like you have to be an ANA member to attend Summer Seminar or to take an ANA correspondence course.
Here are the two coins in question. While not exactly the same, I think they are similar enough to be special(at least to me & my tastes) What about ANACS, would they encapsulate them together? or at least give some sort of reference or consecutive numbering in seperate holders? Do you see any problems or evidence that would suggest that either one of them would return in a body bag? Again, thanks for all the help!!!
Possibly on the eBay coin, but not on mine. I'll try to take a better pic for you outside of the 2*2. It appeared to me that way at first also.
Any thoughts on the close up. I can assure you that it is a die break. Just not sure that the pic can translate it well enough. I've attempted to contact the eBay seller for a better pic of his, but no response yet.
I have to admit when I first looked at your picture I was sure it was a scratch. But when I blew the picture all the way up I have to admit it DOES look like a die crack.
I think that part of it is a die crack and part of it IS a scratch. The red arrows point to the die crack, with the top red arrow being the very end of the die crack. You can even see where the die crack stutters a bit there close to the end with the top arrow pointing to the last piece of raised metal. The turquoise arrows point to portions of the mark that I believe are a scratch likely caused by a rolling machine as previously suggested.
Good eye. I've been searching auctions all morning & have found these to be pretty common as far as splitting the N, I'll have to go look at the coin again to see it as close as you've magnified it. Thanks for all the input guys!! After looking at it under the glass, I am starting to think my coin is a dog. It does have great detail, but the rim dings, & multitude of little scratches are bringing me down.
I didn't magnify anything zach. I just took your image and cropped it to sow only the affected area. And added the arrows of course.
