sacagawea dollar

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by snowracer919, Apr 28, 2005.

  1. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    I found two sacagawea dollars that are different than all others that I have seen and I was wondering if anyone could help to tell me what kind of an error it is. One of them is the same size as the sacagawea dollar but it is silver in color and the other one is the same size as a sacagawea dollar but it is thinner and one side is normal with the gold and the other side is copper in color. This coin also sounds different when tapped on something.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy snowracer919 - Welcome to the Forum !!

    Based on your description it sounds like you coins that have either toned, which is natural, or coins that have been plated. The have no value above $1.
     
  4. lawdogct

    lawdogct Coin Collector

    can you post any pictures?
     
  5. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    sorry but I don't have a camara to post any pictures.
     
  6. NICK66

    NICK66 Coin Hoarder

    How about a scanner?
     
  7. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    I tried my scanner and the coins wouldnt show up.
     
  8. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    The one looks like it was struck on a sba planchet but I think that someone just somehow took off the gold layer on it and the other one I still dont know what kind of error it would be because it isnt as thick as a normal sacagawea dollar but is the same diamiter as a normal sacagawea dollar and it has one side that is copper in color
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Can you weigh the coins ?
     
  10. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    I could try to weigh them when I go back to work on Monday.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Try then - if the one is thinner than normal then it should weigh less.

    There are really so many possibilities that it is hard to say for sure what you have without someone who knows examining the coins in person. But we can tell quite a bit with good pics, accurate diameter & weight. Afraid that's the best we can offer.
     
  12. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The silver-colored Sac dollar is probably plated, unless you can see the copper core on the edge. If you can see the copper core, then it might be struck on an SBA planchet, and would therefore be worth about $10k. The other coin might be missing a clad layer and would be worth several hundred dollars.
     
  13. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    I can see the copper layer on the edge of the coin. And would it be alot thinner if it was only missing the clad layer because it is about 1/4 smaller than a regular sacagawea dollar. thanks mike
     
  14. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Now, that's very interesting. There is now a chance that you've got a rare and very valuable "transitional error". Since weight, diameter, and density are the same between Sac dollars and SBA dollars, the coin will have to be subjected to an SEM/X-ray spectroscopic analysis. I suggest you send it to a reputable grading service and pay the extra $100 or so for this test.

    As to the Sac dollar with the possible missing clad layer, it should indeed be thinner than normal. I don't know offhand how much a Sac clad layer weighs, but it should be well over a gram, since that's how much a quarter clad layer weighs. Therefore the coin should weigh less than 7.1 grams (normal weight is 8.1 grams).
     
  15. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

  16. which left was the error? just kidding. :p
    hey i could not see the photos, all i got was a sign in page for aol?

    sorry,

    michael
     
  17. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The color of the suspected missing clad Sac is pretty convincing. The design is crisp, which would seem to rule out a clad layer removed by acid. However, one should never rely on color alone. As I said, you need to weigh the coin.
     
  18. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    I went to a coin dealer and he told me that the one that is silver was probaly dipped in acid and the other one is missing the clad layer. Thanks for all your help Mike
     
  19. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The average coin dealer knows next to nothing about errors, and therefore, any opinions issuing from such a source are to be disregarded. If the dealer did not weigh your possible missing clad error, then you still don't have an answer. As to your other coin, an acid bath will not turn a Sac dollar the color of an SBA dollar, and certainly would not do so without affecting the core as well.
     
  20. snowracer919

    snowracer919 New Member

    i went to another coin dealer today and he weighed the coins. The one with the copper on the back is 2 grams less and the one that is silver in color is the normal weight.
     
  21. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Good deal. Your missing clad error is legit. Nice find. The status of the other coin is still indeterminate. As I mentioned, the weight of a Sac dollar, SBA dollar, and Sac dollar struck on an SBA planchet will be the same.
     
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