Ryro's Top 10 coins that I just recieved in the mail today

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    My mania really knows no bounds.
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    OK. Not that crazy. But close. I actually forgot that this package was coming today:nailbiting:
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    LYCIA,TERMESSOS.
    Æs, 1st century BC Chr .; 22mm, 4.22 g. Zeus head right, behind it scepter // winged lightning, round counterstamp: bee. SNG v. Aulock 4455; SNG France 2091; Kosmetikatou, Elizabeth, The Coinage of Lycian Termessos pros Oinoandois, in: Quaderni Ticinesi XXVII (1998), Series I, No. 39. SNG v. Aulock 4455. Brown patina,
    Purchased from Savoca December 2021
    The place Termessos in Lycia is the colony of the mother city of the same name in Pisidia. Interestingly, the counterstamps was apparently also applied at the minting location of the coin.

    THRACO-MACEDONIAN REGION, Uncertain (Stagira?). 5th century BC. AR Hemiobol (8mm, 0.46 g). Head of boar left / Incuse square. Cf. Tzamalis 45 (slightly later style).
    Purchased from Savoca December 2021
    A boar forepart is a common type on early silver coinage not only at Stagira, but also at various other cities, such as Kyzikos, and various Lycian dynastic issues. However, the style of the boar here is quite different from all of these, and the fabric of the coin suggests a mint in the Thraco-Macedonian region.

    Alexander III ‘the Great’
    336-323 BC. Æ Unit (17 mm, 5.22 g). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Struck circa 334-310 BC. Macedonian shield with thunderbolt on boss / Macedonian helmet; ivy leaf below. Price 407; Liampi, Chronologie, series II, group 1, 55-65; SNG München 894; SNG Alpha Bank 836. NVF. Purchased from Savoca December 2021

    IONIA. Phokaia. Ae (Circa 300 BC).
    Obv: Female head left (Aphrodite?).
    Rev: Head of griffin left.
    SNG Copenhagen 1031; SNG von Aulock 2135.
    NVF, 1.58 g. 11 mm.
    Purchased from Savoca December 2021

    Alexander III
    (336-323 BC) - AE17 (Salamis mint, struck under Nikokreon (c. 323-315 BC, 16mm, 3.67 g) - Gorgoneion in center of Macedonian shield ornamented with five double crescents / Crested Macedonian helmet with cheek guards, axe to lower left and K(?) to lower right (cf. Price 3162). VF. Purchased from Savoca December 2021

    Nikokreon
    CYPRUS, Salamis. Circa 331-310 BC. Æ Half Unit (16mm, 4.40 g, 6h). In the types of Alexander III of Macedon. Struck circa 323-317 BC. Macedonian shield decorated with gorngoneion on the boss / Macedonian helmet; kerykeion to lower left. Zapiti & Michaelidou (Wars of the Successors) 5–7 var. (monogram on rev.); Price 3158. VF, Purchased from Savoca December 2021



    I partially blame Savoca's simply INSANE shipping at a reasonable price!
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    (Actual picture of Savoca's FedEx driver)

    Though, I am so cheap that this is actually two orders. When I don't have enough to justify the twenty buck expense they accommodate and hold my winnings for me so that I get a sweet batch like this here today display. :D

    Anyone else given themselves a surprise treat by forgetting something or things you bought yourself? Anyone recieved any last minute end of year coins? Have any similar coins?? Or anything that brings joy to the hoi polloi!:rolleyes:
     
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  3. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Ryro ...Wow!...Nice pick up!..Some lovely shields but also really like the little Bee c/m.
    Which is your favourite?
     
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  4. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    Savoca's awesome! They have by far the fastest delivery, though Roma comes close.

    With the thunderbolt shield coin, my understanding is Weiser attributes all of them to Pyrrhos in "Ein neues Kupferstück des Pyrrhos als König der Makedonen." Do you think that's the case for yours?

    For me, I have a coin I'd hoped to see here before the end of the year, but that won't happen. It's a rare Molossi bronze from Epirus and is the best match I could find for Kleopatra of Macedon. It doesn't seem to have arrived in the US yet, so it's still a week or two out.

    I also have seven coins coming from Leu. They're among the slowest shippers out there. I won the coins on 12/18 and just yesterday I received a mail that my payment has been received, which I sent as a wire transfer the same day I received my invoice. They estimate another 10 days for shipping, so it'll be some time but I'll post them when I have them.
     
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  6. Ryro

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    7 from Leu's latest:wideyed::cigar: I've three and am still surprised I won that many. Excited to see whatchagot :woot:
    I've never bought into the idea that Pyrrhos minted MSCs without his monogram:
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    Just like his mentor and friend had done for years before him.
    Here's the Demetrius Poliorketes from today's shipment (the slightly more rare type with the shield lacking pellets between the half circles:
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    But don't take my word for it, Liampi is the premier source for MSCs and says,
    "He considers these three imprints in connection with the activity of Pyrrhos in Macedonia, when it came to war against Antipater in order to come to the aid of Alexander V. However, Weiser overlooked some crucial elements:

    1) The Macedonian shields depicted on our coins (Series I, Series II, Group 1, Nos. 2 f., 66 f.) And those of Pyrrhos (Plate 6, c) show clearly typological differences. The former belong in a common group, while the coins of Pyrrhos typologically belong to a series of coins of Demetrius Poliorketes (294-288 BC) (Plate 6, a) and Antigonus Gonatas (277-239 BC) ( Table 6, b), which were not considered by Weiser. Instead, Weiser inserts the type to be distinguished between the Demetrios coin and the Pyrrhos coin with lightning on the shield and monogram 3 on the lapel (Nos. 66 f.). However, taking into account the coins of Demetrius, Antigonus and Pyrrhos, there are two embossing series which form a single unit, have no relation to the "anonymous" coinage and also belong to another period.

    2) The Piloshelm[15] of the Pyrrhos coins (see Table 6, c) does not feature the bush, which, due to its variety, is particularly characteristic of the Alexander's coin (# 1) and the "anonymous" coins (# 2 The laurel wreath on the Pyrrhos coins is also missing, which adorns the calotte, for which an oak wreath [16] frames the entire reverse image.

    3) The royal title, which was abbreviated to B-A on the "anonymous" coins, appears at the beginning of the 3rd century BC on the shield coins of Demetrios Poliorketes, Antigonus Gonatas and Pyrrhos with BA On the coins of these kings appear new monograms and symbols that do not appear on the "anonymous" (compare u.).

    4) Furthermore, Weiser does not distinguish between the monograms 14 and 3. However, since the latter lacking the characteristic P of ΠYP-POY, it can hardly be considered a monogram for the name Pyrrhos, but could be due to the theta contained therein (Θ), This can also be interpreted as the abbreviated form of the name ΠYΘ-ΩN (?).

    5) In addition, lightning cannot be regarded as a typical Molossian symbol, since it appears on the Macedonian coins both as the main motif and as a symbol long before and after this time as a sign of Zeus. [17]

    15 P. Dintsis, Hellenischelmet Helmets, Rome 1986, p. 57.
    16 As a sign of the Dodona Zeus, cf. P.R. Franke, Die Antiken Coins of Epirus, Wiesbaden 1961, 152 with note. 52-53.
    17 As head-notive, e.g. at Gaebler, cit. 164, 13, etc. (Philip 11th); 169, 4. 6 (Alexander III); 96, 16 (Pella); as an example of 161, 1-2 (Alexander 11); 166, 25-26, etc. (Philipp 11.); 190, 3, etc., (Philipp V.). For the bcling of the lightning on Alexander lll. cf. Plut., Alex. IV, 2."

    I really appreciate the link though. I've not read Weiser and look forward to it :)
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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i'm wid ya on da'un...most kool!..:)
     
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  8. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    I'm also amazed at the last Leu. I won every single coin I bid on - even my lower priorities! That's probably the one and only time that will happen...

    This is the only spot where I disagree. Pyrrhos and Demetrios weren't friends. They did start out on the same side, since Pyrrhos licked his chops under Antigonos, but they were renowned enemies. It probably didn't help that one of Pyrrhos' wives deserted him for Demetrios because she couldn't live with barbarians.

    Wow! She raked him over the coals. Looks like she pretty much shut him down on every avenue. This makes me wonder whether even his Alexander V attribution is correct - I would guess not. BTW, there's an online copy of her work here.
     
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