Rulers who died obscure deaths

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  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    For a different slant/ this thread is about Emperors/ Kings/ Empresses/ Usurpers whose end is unknow to history.....
    Herennia Etruscilla
    Empress/ wife of Trajan Decius
    nothing is known of her after her husband/ sons died. IMG_1257.JPG
     
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  3. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Roman emperor Aurelianus destroyed the Palmerian kingdom , Queen Zenobia was taken prisoner and lived in Rome for the rest of her life. But nothing is known about her son King Vabalathus after his defeat.

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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The Roman emperor Valerian, who ruled from 253 to 260, left his camp to negotiate with the Sasanids during one of many of Rome’s wars with the Persians. They captured him and carried him off to Persia where he was never seen nor heard from again.

    Valerian I Anti O.jpg Valerian I Anti R.jpg

    Antoninianus of Valerian, Obverse: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS P F AVG “Emperor caesar Publius Licinius Valerianus Pius Felix (dutiful, patriotic) augustus.” Reverse: RESTITVTOR ORBIS “Restitutor or ruler of the world.” Turreted female figure kneeing, Valerian in military attire, resting on a spear reaching to her. Sear 9968
     
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..nothing is known of Otacilia Severa after the death of husband, son Philip l & ll sesteterius Otacilia Severus pachyderm (hippo) 001.JPG sesteterius Otacilia Severus pachyderm (hippo) 002.JPG
     
  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..that brings up another thing i thinks suspicious, those 'deathbed last wishes/commands'... a very real & lagally binding contract.jpg
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    We know next to nothing about Cornelia Supera, the wife of Aemilian. She is completely unknown to history apart from her appearance on coins. The only reason we even know that she was Aemilian's wife is on the basis of numismatic evidence. We don't know when or how she died. She is one of the most obscure figures to ever appear on Roman coins.

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    Cornelia Supera, wife of Aemelian, Augusta, 253 CE.
    Roman provincial Æ 20.5mm, 3.78 g, 7 h.
    Mysia, Parium, AD 253.
    Obv: G CORN SUPERA, diademed and draped bust right.
    Rev: C. G. I. H. P., Capricorn right, cornucopiae on back; globe between legs (Sear describes as a star, but his exemplar in the British Museum depicts a globe with an equinoctial cross, giving it the appearance of a star).
    Refs: RPC IX, 382; SGI 4408; SNG Von Aulock 7448.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    What REALLY did happen to Fulvia...

    First Female "Ruler" on a Roman Coin:

    (also known as "Olive Oyl The Great") :)
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    Roman Republic (disintegrating)
    Fulvia

    Late summer-autumn 43 BCE
    AR Quinarius (13mm, 1.67 g, 5h).
    Lugdunum (Lyon) mint.
    Winged bust of Victory right, with the likeness of Fulvia /
    Lion walking right; DVNI (retrograde and inverted) above, LVGV in exergue; A to left, X [L] to right (= 40, Antony’s age at time of issue).
    Crawford 489/5; Lyon 2; King 75; CRI 122; Sydenham 1160; Fulvia 4.
    Comments: VF, lightly toned, light porosity.
    Ex: CNG

    Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulvia
    The siege at Perusia lasted two months before Octavian starved Lucius into surrender in February 40 BC. After Lucius' surrender, Fulvia fled to Greece with her children. Appian writes that she met Antony in Athens, and he was upset with her involvement in the war. Antony then sailed back to Rome to deal with Octavian, and Fulvia died of an unknown illness in exile in Sicyon, near Corinth, Achaea.[46] After her death, Antony and Octavian used it as an opportunity to blame their quarrelling on her. According to Plutarch, "there was even more opportunity for a reconciliation with Caesar. For when Antony reached Italy, and Caesar manifestly intended to make no charges against him, and Antony himself was ready to put upon Fulvia the blame for whatever was charged against himself."[46] After Fulvia's death, Antony married Octavian's sister, Octavia Minor, to publicly demonstrate his reconciliation with Octavian. Antony never regained his position and influence in Italy.[47]

    Once Antony and Octavia were married, she took in and reared all of Fulvia's children. The fate of Fulvia's daughter, Clodia Pulchra, after her divorce from Octavian is unknown. Her son Marcus Antonius Antyllus was executed by Octavian in Alexandria, Egypt in 30 BC. Her youngest child, Iullus Antonius, was spared by Octavian and raised from 40 BC by Octavia Minor. Iullus married Octavia's daughter and Octavian's niece Claudia Marcella Major and they had a son Lucius Antonius and possibly a daughter Iulla Antonia.
     
  9. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Don't tell me he died partying too hard chugging from the horn of Herakles.
    The truth is we don't know how Alexander the Great died. With so many strange stories, his eradic behavior towards the end and no named successor, "To the strongest", it sure looks like a case of murder.
    Heck, we still only have guesses about why his dad was murdered. But with Philip II, at least we do know that he was stabbed to death by Pausanias.
    But we'll never know how Alexander The greatest of all men met his premature demise.
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  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Wilhelm V of Bayern/ Comte de Hollande
    AV Florin ND De Hague Mint
    1330-89
    From the House of Wittelsbach (Bayern) he was also Duke of Bayern/ Count of Zeeland/ Hainault/ Holland.
    He got his nickname, "The Insane" from an event at a banquet. One of his knights had a bit to much wine and hurled insults at Wilhelm. He walked over. drew out his boardsword/ and struck off his head/ leaving a bad scene at the banquet table.
    The cause of his death is unknown.
    My only coin from Numismatique Genevensis IMG_0760.JPG IMG_0758.JPG
     
  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Edward V

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    I can't post a picture of a coin for Edward V because very little was made in his name. Whatever it might be, it's beyond my pay grade to pay for it.

    Edward V was the son of British King Edward IV (ruled 1461 to 1470, deposed ruled again 1471 - 1483). When Edward IV died, the crown was supposed to go to his 12 year old son, but his uncle, Richard III, grabbed it from him. Richard imprisoned Edward and his brother in The Tower of London. From then on, no one knows what happened to them.

    The most widely accepted theory is that Richard III had them killed and buried their bodies some where in the Tower. Those who think Richard III was not such a bad guy say that Henry VI had them killed. I'm in the Richard III camp.

    Here is an artist's conception of "The Murder of the Innocents." James Northcote painted this picture cira 1786.

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    At any rate, here are a few coins.

    Edward V's father, Edward IV. Edward IV introduced the angle gold coin to the British monetary system.

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    Murder suspect #1 Richard III penny.

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    Murder suspect #2, Henry VII Groat

    Henry VII Ren Style Groat.jpg

    In 1674, the bones of some children were found under a staircase in the White Tower in the Tower of London. The bones were brought to Westminster Abby and buried under the orders of King Charles II.

    In 1933 the urn that contained the bones were opened and examined. Some of the bones were missing because they had been given away before they were entombed in 1675. They were re-entombed.

    Today people cast doubt as to whether on not these were the bones of the brothers. As such the case remains unsolved.

    Here is a Charles II shilling. He had the bones reburied in 1675.

    Charles II 1663 Shilling.jpg
     
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  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I like firsts and last. The last official Western Roman emperor, Romulus Augustus, retired to the countryside and I do not think anything else is known. Constantine XI, last Roman emperor, had very successful daughters, one marrying a Russian Duke and giving rise to the title Czar (Caesar) but his sons fates were lost to history.
     
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  13. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Karia
    Pixodaros 341-334BC
    Satrap of Karia/ under Darius III
    AV 1/24 Stater ND ex:Adams Collection
    Nothing is known about his fate/ was he killed by Alexander/ did he fade away..... 10000103.jpg
     
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  14. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Cyprus/ Ptolemaic Kings (Satraps)
    Nikokreon 330-10BC
    AV Stater ND Salamis Mint

    It is unknown what happened to him. One theory was that Ptolemy had him executed/ but why? he was loyal. d8e5b7e688767eaf8527d621fcc06e71 (1).jpg
     
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  15. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    According to Philip I ("the Arab"), Gordian III died a natural death. Many did not believe him at the time. Nor should you.
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    Gordian III
    Caesar, A.D. 238
    Augustus, A.D. 238-244

    Silver Double Denarius
    Rome mint, A.D. 238-239
    Obv: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG
    Rev: VICTORIA AVG - Victory, advancing left, holding wreath and palm branch.
    RIC 5
    20x22mm, 4.0g.
     
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