On another thread entitled Ancient Imitations, First Century AD, Valentinian showed us fourees namely of the 12 Caesars. But long before those imitations, unscrupulous people were pawning off worthless or near worthless imitations on the unsuspecting of Rome and it's environs. Even though I'm not a big fan of fourees, I bought this several weeks ago mainly because I like the style of the coin it copies: The Bacchius referred to on the reverse may be the Aristobulus, the Jewish king of Judaea who submitted himself and Judaea to Pompey in 63 B.C., bringing a train of camels loaded with gold as part of his "peace offering." This offering included, according to Josephus, the gigantic golden vine that had been set up in front of the temple doors, which was called "Terpole" (The Delight); it was to be seen on display in Rome in the Augustan era (Strabo mentions it). The replacement vine, set up under Herod Archelaus, (between 4. B.C. and A.D. 6) likely inspired the famous grape and vine coin types of the First and Second Revolts. This is the earliest Roman coin with an explicit reference to Rome's intervention in Jewish/Judaean affairs! A PLAUTIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS PLANCIA AR Fouree Denarius OBVERSE: Turreted hd of Cybele right, A PLAVTIVS before, AED CVR SC behind REVERSE: supplicant offerng palm-branch, camel behind; IVDAEVS before, BACCHIVS below Rome 55 BC 18mm, 3.2g Cr431/1, Syd 932, Hendin 741, Plautia 13 Your comments and coins are most welcome.
So Bing has a fake coin? Someone call the Spanish Inquisition. Off to the gallows with him. @Bing, I don't like fourees either, but that is one sweet obverse portrait. Nice one How collectable are fourees? Do a lot of people like them, or is it more of a niche thing?
Having been posting here on CT and elsewhere for several years, it seems there are many folks who collect them or at least have several fourees in their collections. Without looking, I probably have about a half dozen or so, but I don't actively seek them out.
Not a fan of fourees either, but they do have an interesting history to them. But, yeah usually I stay away from them, don't know enough about them to buy one.
Someone recently estimated a fourree as worth 1/3 of the price of a similar solid coin. I disagree mostly because there are few fourrees as attractive as a solid due to the patchy surfaces which get really ugly. Of my fourrees, I like this 'Fine' one best when it comes to 'pretty' so it might rise to a fraction of solid but I really doubt that number would be 1/3. Most offered online are less worn so it is hard to find even comparisons. Sextus Pompey
No Republican Fourees. I have a couple of Imperials that I just posted in @Valentinian 's Thread. No need for me to duplicate. I am not a big fan of them. Both of mine were de gratis... (thank you)
i think it's a pretty nice lookin' one bing, i'd take it for sure. fouree is actually pretty high on my list, at least one nice example.
I think fourrees are interesting but I don't necessarily collect them. One theory behind serrated denarii was that they were meant to discourage forgeries - Fourrees. I've got a really nice fourree serratus which would seem to cast doubt on that theory. M. Aurelius Scaurus. 118 BC. Fourrée Serrate Denarius (18mm, 2.95 g, 9h). Copying an issue of the Narbo mint. Helmeted head of Roma right; X (mark of value) behind, M • A(VR)ELI upward to right, ROMA downward to left / Gallic warrior (Bituitus?), hurling spear and holding shield and carnyx, driving biga right; SC(AVR)I below, in exergue, L • LIC • CN • DOM. Cf. Crawford 282/1; cf. Sydenham 523; cf. Aurelia 20.
I think fourrees are very interesting and want to collect a few. At the moment, I have only one but it ticked off several checkboxes on my wish list: fourree, mule, goat biga . Also, its style is quite nice for a fourree-- no worse than the usual artistry for the type. Roman Republic fourrée mule denarius L. Antestius Gragulus, 136 BCE, and C. Renius, 138 BCE ancient forgery, 3.18 gm Obv: Roma helmeted head right, * below chin, GRAG behind Rev: Juno Caprotina in a biga of goats, C・RENI below, ROMA in exergue Ref: Obverse S.115, Cr.238/1, Syd.451, RSC Antestia 9; Reverse S.108, Cr.231/1, Syd.432, RSc Renia 1
I seem to be with the majority here...I don't actively seek out fourree's but I find them interesting as 'historical oddities' and have about five of them from RR to Imperial---as most of you have noticed. I really like @Bing's example (and the cool devices) and find those posted by the CT gang to be exceptional examples. I'll throw in a serrate fourree with the cool seeing 'double' obverse and unintentional reverse:
Hmmm... I may reconsider my position on Fourees... If the quality is out there, I MAY try to capture a Republican Fouree as I like rounding out my Republican area... I just don't like the concept of counterfeits and deception... just against my grain...
Was it Pliny that mentioned that some wealthy Romans would pay more than face for them? I enjoyed this preview a bit but not enough to buy the book from Amazon. https://books.google.com/books?id=X...EIHDAA#v=onepage&q=pliny plated coins&f=false https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...s&field-keywords=Metal+Plating+and+Patination Note that Amazon will buy yours for $12.50 in gift cards but wants $3332.27 for theirs. Gotta love businessmen with computers.
Still expensive at 1K: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/offer-list...hrd_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=&sr=
Computer algorithms price used books according to options selected by the seller resulting is one cent books and high priced ones. We could do the same things with our collections setting prices for our favorites a million times retail and coins we know to have bronze disease at 1% if you take it now while it still exists. The day of the used book store with the little old proprietor wearing a threadbare vest went the way of the brick and mortar coin store with a dish of fifty sent sestertii on the counter where you could find the world's worst Didius Julianus. We got Coin Talk from the computer generation but it was not entirely without cost.
