Roman Egypt Empress

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  1. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Just having no luck identifying this empress. Its Homonoia on the reverse I believe. Her hair looks like Orbiana, but its not her. The Greek has me lost. Anyone have an idea? 20150628_181205_resized.jpg 20150628_181235_resized.jpg
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    No help, but that sure looks like the bust of Orbiana.
     
  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The images are a bit fuzzy but the obverse legend seems to begin IOVMA, so Julia Mamaea. Emmett 3209. Can't make out the year due to the crack. Choices for her are years 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, or 13.

    Edit: It's Julia someone. Can you make out the first five or six letters of the obverse legend? Maybe it's Julia Maesa, year 4 (Emmett 3055). The legend would be IOVMAICACEBMHCTPA or IOVAMAICACEBMHCTPA.

    Edited again :D. It sure looks like IOVMAI... so Julia Maesa. And yes, that is Homonia.
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Guess Julia Mamaea Emmett 3209???

    EDIT I'm too slow but at least we agree.
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    For completeness' sake, here are the possibilities based on the first few letters of the legend, for empresses who had a Homonia reverse. With the coin in hand you can probably figure out which it is.

    Julia Domna, IOVΛIAΔOMNACEB (Emmett 2733 year 6, R5)
    Julia Paula, IOVΛIAΠAVΛACEB (Emmett 2977 year 4, R3)
    Julia Soaemias, IOVΛIACOAIMIACCEB (Emmett 2994, year 4, R2
    Aquilia Severa, IOVΛIAAKVAΛIACEVHPACEB (Emmett 3015, years 4 and 5, R3 and R2)
    Julia Maesa, IOVMAICACEBMHCTPA or IOVAMAICACEBMHCTPA Emmett 3055, year 4, R4)
    Julia Mamaea, IOVMAMAIA......(many different legends, Emmett 3209, various rarity ratings)

    Looking at it again I think it's Mamaea.
     
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  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks guys. So a year 10 3209, as in hand you can tell its a LI date.

    Btw, hate to press my luck, but anyone ever here of a bust left Hera reverse on a Nero Tet? I do not see it listed in Emmett.
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks. The clincher to me is there is clearly an AIACE in the legend to the left of her head, and clearly LI date.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Seriously, the portrait screams Mamaea! The fact that hers is the only one with L I or better just is bonus.
     
  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Lol, I am not Mat, I have no idea about Roman ladies. This was just part of a group lot I bought from a local dealer. 9 Egypt tets, 2 sestertii, and 2 coins from B Max Mehl, and a few others, in the lot. Just trying to try to identify some.
     
  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    But is is really LI, not LIA, LIB, or LIΓ? . The third letter could be off flan or obscured by the crack. Here's a year 12 from CNG's archives so you can see what I mean about the position of a third letter, although it's Elpis:
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    Based on "book rarity", year 12 or 13 would be much more likely.

    You have Emmett? Hmm, I wish I hadn't labored over typing those legends :D.

    No, I don't recall seeing a bust left Hera for Nero.
     
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  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I have most references, but it doesn't mean I know where to start not reading Greek, collecting the series, or knowing the portraits. ;) I do really appreciate it though, TIF, but just a reference number is usually sufficient for me. 20150628_185535_resized.jpg 20150628_185521_resized.jpg

    Here are bad pics of the Nero. It looks just like Hera reverses I see, but all of hers, and Emmett, show Hera facing right. I checked other bust left from Emmett, but those do not look like this as far as I can see.

    Edit: Btw its a good point about the date on the other TIF. In hand I can see the end of the L and there is nothing I can see to the right of the I. However, its doesn't matter to me a R1, R2, or R5, as I am not even sure if I have this empress, so its just a type for me to go into the long nap in my SDB.
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Julia Mamaea a.jpg

    Julia Mamaea?

    => oh, and whatever it is, it's a fantastic looking coin, Med-man!!

    Cheers, brother

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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It sure does look like Hera. Keith Emmett is working on a new book or expansion of the old book. You might want to send these images to him for an opinion or inclusion.
     
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  15. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Aww..All my harems get all the same time and respect each.

    Pretty coin though, especially the obverse. I need a Mamaea tet.

    As for the Nero, Hera head right is very common, head left...new to me :eek:
     
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  16. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I don't have his email. I could if you send me his email, or you could email them to him. I know the photos suck, I would even mail him the coin if he wanted. I am just glad I didn't mess up that attribution too. :)
     
  17. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    My rearranged photo of my Julia Mamea sestertius, with Tyche right-side up LOL
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  18. medoraman

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    I think your reverse is upside down. :) Its a bust of Tyche.

    As additional coin information, I just read the reverse of the first coin, Homonoia, is the Greek god of harmony. It was used by Phillip II and his son Alexander III as a way to reduce tensions amongst the greeks. Of course, such a thing was tailor made for the Romans, so they used it as well. Usually the depiction of Homonoia is the statue of Aphrodite in Aphrodisia, so in a way we have an "aphrodisiac" here on this coin. :)
     
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  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Opps!! Too many beers when I started taken these LOL

    Edit: I corrected the photos...
     
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