RIC II 101, 102 & 104 - why do the coins not match the RIC descriptions?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by DCCR, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. DCCR

    DCCR Member

    I've been looking at the coins of Titus that celebrate Agricola's victory at the River Tay and (almost) everyone seems to assign them to RIC II 101, 102 or 104. For example:


    The problem is that RIC II itself defines these types as 21a and b, with 101, 102 and 104 being something completely different:

    101: Sestertius. S.C. Titus in quadriga r.
    102: Sestertius. S.C. Hexastyle temple of Jupiter
    104: Sestertius. S.C. Titus on horseback l., receiving palladium from Roma. standing r., r. foot on globe​

    CNG seem to get it right once:
    CNG Triton VII Lot 898 - RIC II 21a​

    Am I misreading RIC here (I don't really collect Roman coins so I'm not that familiar with RIC), or are all these auction houses just copying and pasting the same incorrect references?
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    What you are missing is that the examples you give are all using the new RIC II Part 1 by Carradice and Buttrey (2007). The other RIC numbers you give are from the old RIC.
     
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    btw here is an example you do not see everyday. It is a left facing bust for Titus and is RIC 103.

    Titus, 79 - 81 n. Chr. Denar (2.96g). 80 n. Chr. Mzst. Rom.
    Obv.: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M, Kopf mit Lorbeerkranz n. l.
    Rev.: TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P, zwei Gefangene sitzen Rücken an Rücken an einem Tropaeum.
    RIC 103 (R2) RSC 307. Not in RIC plates.
    Ex Sammlung Shlomo Moussaieff, London, 1948 - 2000.
    Condition: Dunkle Tönung, partiell Auflagen, ss
    Ex: Gorny und Mosch e-auction 263 - 07.03.2019 10: Lot 3615

    Titus ric 103 Gorny und Mosch.JPG
     
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  5. DCCR

    DCCR Member

    Thanks @Orfew. I knew there was a new version out but I didn't realise they had changed the numbers.
     
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