Reference for Braided Hair Large Cents (1839-1857)

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kanga, Apr 22, 2017.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I've got 2 references for these coins, Newcomb's book and Grellman's book.
    But I still have problems ID'ing some of the Newcomb varieties.
    Is there another reference OR do we have an expert here that can help me with this?
     
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  3. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

  4. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Grellman is the best reference for these. They do that a fair amount of experience/practice and it really helps i you have better condition coins. Coins less than VF can be VERY hard to attribute.
     
  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Thanks.
    I suspected Grellman was the best.

    The good news is that all my coins are VF or better -- mostly better.
    But even with a 9x loupe I'm having difficulty.
    Some of the diagnostics are almost fly speck in size.
     
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  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Okay, solved one problem.
    Grellman uses the terms "petite head" and "mature head" but doesn't give a definition for each.
    After about a half hour of online research I think I've got it.
    petite head - 1839 to early 1843 (bust ends over the 8)
    mature head - 1843 through 1857 (bust ends over the 1)
     
  7. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    Here is a Petite head on Collectors Corner. I am looking for a Mature Head example
    1843 1C N-15 Petite Head Sm Lt MS66BN PCGS
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    Price: [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Grade: MS66BN
    Quantity: 1
    PCGS Coin #: 405946
    Last Update: 4/20/2017
    Dealer: (Legend Rare Coin Auctions

    Auction: The Regency Auction XXI - May 18, 2017 [​IMG]
    Auction Date: 5/18/2017 - 5/18/2017
    Lot Number: 99 [​IMG]
    Show/Booth: Central States / 1900
     
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  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Well, I'm finding one problem.
    Some of these coins have 20 or more varieties and it's anything but trivial determine the particular one.
    It's taking more work than I'm willing to expend at this time.
    A later task.
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    LESSONS LEARNED (so far):
    1. As I said determining the Newcomb Number on some of these requires a considerable effort.
    2. All my coins are slabbed BUT many have debris caked in areas that I need to see to look for variety attribution. NCS could solve that BUT the value of the coins does NOT merit the cost of conserving/attributing/reslabbing them.
    3. My 9x and 10x loupes just don't have enough "oomph" to see many of the PUP's for variety attribution. I need a stereo (dissecting?) microscope to get me into the 20x to 60x magnification range. The cost of such a microscope is probably not merited by my limited need.
    4. While looking for PUP's I've found that many of the slabs need to be polished. Lots of scratches and rubs. So before I go through the imaging process I'll have to take the time (and elbow grease) to clean them up. An annoying but necessary procedure. That's 33 slabs (66 sides).
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    a bunch of good reasons large cents should be collected raw. :)
     
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