raw 1875-s 20 cent piece

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by johnny54321, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    This was a recent purchase. The seller graded this coin at VF+ cleaned, which I think is conservative in this case. I'm happy to do business with people like this. :) The reverse is definitely the strong side, regarding both luster and details. It may have been lightly cleaned/dipped, but not enough to inhibit luster. The obverse, however, is quite weak in comparison. There is still some luster around the stars and lettering on the obverse, but not nearly as much as the reverse. Anyways, I am happy with it for now as a reverse facing out addition to my type set. I will probably upgrade eventually, but this is decent for now and worth the VF money I paid in my opinion.
     

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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Wow, that reverse does pop....problem coin? Maybe, but as long as you are happy with it. I'd probably bite if I had a chance at this one....:)
     
  4. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    thanks! i think... what does "pop" mean?:cool:
     
  5. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Looks "odd" to me. The obverse is worn far more than the reverse and I smell a rat.
     
  6. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    What do you mean by that? You think the coin is fake? The obverse was cleaned and probably weakly struck. More extreme in this case, but not unusual.
     
  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Jumps right out at you......
     
  8. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    Maybe it's just the picture, but the reverse look to be cleaned more than the obverse.
     
  9. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I think it's the lighting. The reverse has some hairlines, but they aren't really parallel and they are very light in hand. I attribute the lack of luster on the obverse to cleaning, though I suppose it could be uneven wear.
     
  10. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Not an expert at these, but I think the dealer had it correct - just based off reading my grading book LIBERTY seems to all be there, but is weak. It could be a weak strike, but looks like wear to me. And pictures sometimes show somethings that might not be noticed in hand. In this case the obverse looks cleaned like maybe it was dipped - the reverse looks like it was whizzed, but could just be the pictures. This just my opinion and you have the coin in hand. If you are happy then Congrats on the new addition.
     
  11. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

     
  12. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Thank you for your opinion Mark. You may be right about the uneven wear. That could also explain the lack of luster on the obverse.

    The reverse certainly has not been whizzed. That is honest luster, with a few hairlines in between. I'll try to get some better photos.
     
  13. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Still a pretty coin , and the reverse does pop , cool coin especially for what you said it was for , hey Green you're dating yourself with the word pop , you could of used my all time hated word , groovy . LOL
    rzage
     
  14. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yep - what he said, cept for goovy - before my time. :)
     
  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    My time....LOL.
     
  16. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Try DUDEEEEEE!!!

    Jim Dude
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    IMO: You are justifying/rationalizing keeping a problem coin. Don't.

    I have found that purchasing problem coins may satisfy your short-term need to add to your collection, it will bother you and you will eventually get rid of it likely at a loss. Patience, as they say, is a virtue.
     
  18. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Quote:
    Looks "odd" to me. The obverse is worn far more than the reverse and I smell a rat.
    What do you mean by that? You think the coin is fake? The obverse was cleaned and probably weakly struck. More extreme in this case, but not unusual.

    The coin is either fake or, more likely, has been "messed with" IMO.
     
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