Raw 1827 Capped Bust Half...what grade, originality of appearance, worth a risk?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by WeirdFishes, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. WeirdFishes

    WeirdFishes Active Member

    Ok I call out to all you Capped Bust Half specialists this is your chance to shine but I gladly accept any and all thoughts. I have posted pictures of the 1827 Capped Bust in question here, as you can see it is in the raw. I dont really have a good understanding of how the coin's age may "ripen" or "soften" the overall application of the standards but this aside I am wondering what if the look of this coin has a overall good appearance? Do you think it has been cleaned? If it has been cleaned it most likely was done so many years in the past. The overall surface condition appears to be consistent throughout the coin's obverse and reverse. On the obverse one can see that the majority of the stars retain their inner fine detailing, giving them a better overall appearance and 3 dimensional perspective. A large number of these 6 pt (formerly 5 pt) stars show their full structure. The Capped Bust device itself is a good strike, through the hair, by the ear and the face there is excellent detail. On the reverse, I like the fact that the surface has the same overall appearance matching that of the obverse. And without a doubt the eagle seems to me at least fully struck up and detailed, with excellent definition between the feathers and then within each feather further detail can be found. The lettering looks great and dentricles on both sides look great. IF sent to a TPG would they grade it and what would you expect the grade to be? What would the value of a graded slabbed coin be? Thanks
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  3. pballer225

    pballer225 Member

    cleaned, I would bet it would grade AU Details. Still a nice coin :)
     
  4. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    AU Details is what I would think it would grade, but a nice coin.
     
  5. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

    I think it would cleanly (by the pictures) grade AU58 problem free
     
  6. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    Agree with the above. It's a very strong & appealing coin,
    but it does appear to have been cleaned at some point.
     
  7. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Mild cleaning, but has retoned nicely.

    It's a strong AU, but I don't think it'd pass at PCGS.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's a strange one. To me it looks like the obv, and only the obv, of the coin underwent a harsh cleaning some time ago, but only in the fields near to the bust. The luster is essentially gone in these areas. But the luster remains in the outer fields.

    Then, at some later point, it looks like the coin was dipped to remove heavy, dark toning; traces of which can still be seen around the stars on the obv and the legends on the rev.

    Would it be put in a regular slab ? If it was me, I'd say no. But a TPG ? Ehhhh, maybe, but maybe not.
     
  9. coins776

    coins776 no title

    looks XF details cleaned
     
  10. Heated Lime

    Heated Lime Member

    Looks better than XF i would say AU and maybe cleaned
     
  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin I give it a AU for sure an say most coins of this era have been wiped a time or two.
     
  12. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Here's a coin I bought with the hopes of it retoning a little . There is a slight break in the luster above the eaqgles head on the reverse . I think yours will end up in the same type of slab .
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