Quiz# 8 Natural or Artificial toning?

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  1. Insider

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    What colors do you see?
     
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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I am color blind, but I believe that I see green here. To my eye it appears like verdigris, but that doesn't make sense on a 90% silver coin. For that reason, I am led to believe artificial toning.
     
  4. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    I see green and in places a coppery reddish hue. The outline of the head looks blurred and the overall view looks like it has been harshly cleaned and the colour toning looks uneven and artificial like contact with a chemical
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    I would put acetone on that coin. Looks like PVC damage to me.
     
  6. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    I see green, black, and grey. Is PVC damage considered natural?
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I agree on the colors but would have guessed natural (if rather unappealing) toning.
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I'm not sure about PVC, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the verdict, either.
     
  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Looks like environmental damage to me. Terminal toning.
     
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  10. Insider

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    Excellent description of the colors (green, black, and gray) in spit of my poor image. 100% original surface. BTW, I suggest all members drop "HARSHLY" from their numismatic descriptions. In my experience (90+% of the time) it is usually misused. :(

    Keep guessing. NT or AT?
     
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  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    I am not a chemist, how do you get green on a 90% silver coin. Environmental or contact with corroding copper i guess.
     
  12. Insider

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    AFAIK, green is a color of the rainbow.

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  13. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    NT. I go with this after studying the coin again, There seems to be a natural transition between the colours, no dramatic separation of the colours
     
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  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I think it is harshly NT!

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  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I see Neptune and a triad on Ben's cheek! It does look like the streaks go over the lettering. I can't tell from the photo if they are depressed as damage or raised as a stain coloration. It is 10% copper, but I would not expect verdigris. IMO, Jim
     
  16. Insider

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    Trick Question...Naturally toned Franklin that was stored improperly and developed a thick green scum at the edges. Coin Care dissolved the scum and acetone removed the Care.
     
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  17. Randy Abercrombie

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    Does thick green scum equate to verdigris?
     
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  18. Danomite

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  19. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    this was my first thought
     
  20. Insider

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    ver·di·gris
    /ˈvərdəˌɡrēs/

    noun
    noun: verdigris
    1. a bright bluish-green encrustation or patina formed on copper or brass by atmospheric oxidation, consisting of basic copper carbonate.

    NO.


    Many of you have had a leather object with brass fittings. Over time, a soft, green deposit forms where the two materials meet. It is a chemical residue. It occurs on all coins (have not seen on Platinum or Tin)

    Here is some of the stuff that typically accumulates - even on GOLD! This stuff is a soft deposit that comes right off with a round toothpick. It is not hard. It is not a powder. Therefore, it is NOT verdigris.

    I know what it is not so let's ask a chemist what it is... :D
     
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