Question of Authenticity

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Katecoin720, May 12, 2016.

  1. Katecoin720

    Katecoin720 New Member

    Hello,

    I have concerns of the Authenticity of these two coins. I would love some help and insight.

    The first coin having what appears to be Zeus on one side and an elephant on the other. I research both images. I founds some interesting coins containing elephant imagery but not this coin specifically. Any ideas of what it could be?

    Next is a tetradrachm. I looking through several images and wasn't able to find one where the detail work on the owl was the same.

    Are either of these true ancient coin?

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  3. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    looks to me both fakes, imitations.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The first one is (or is in the style of) a denarius of moneyer Caecillius Metellus Pius Scipio. Authentic? I don't know.

    The second is an inauthentic approximation of an Athens coin.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    By association alone, I would consider them both to be "inauthentic".
     
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  6. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Your tetradachm doesn't look authentic neither does the other. Not an expert on ancients but that's my thought
     
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  7. Insider

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  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Both look 'off' to me and since I stand by that old refrain...."If there's any doubt, there's no doubt", I'd consider them fakes and move on....unless they came with a 'Sears Certificate':)
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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    Oh sorry, yah I actually have no idea ... ummm, but if I were guessing ...

    => the first one has a chance, but unfortunately that 2nd baby is lookin' like a "no-go"
     
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  10. noname

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  11. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    The METEL PIVS looks ugly, but is not too far from coins of that issue. It could be real, or a "reasonable" fake. Both the obverse and reverse of this coin vary a lot. See pics from NAC and Roma below. In any case, a coin that has spend some time in jewlery is usually sold at pretty steep discounts over numismatic value. If you want a tie tack, lapel pin or other bling, go for it.
    METEL PIVS SCIPIO NAC.jpg NAC
    METEL PIVS SCIPIO Roma.jpg Roma
    Q. Metellus Pius Scipio AR Denarius.
    Q. Metellus Pius Scipio AR Denarius. Africa c. 47-46. Laureate head of Jupiter r., beard and hair in ringlets / Elephant walking r. Crawford 459/1; RSC Caecilia 47. 4.04g, 16mm, 12h. Toned VF
     
  12. Katecoin720

    Katecoin720 New Member

    Thanks for your thoughts everyone. Rrdenarius and TIF your extra information was great!
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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  14. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I believe that is the assumption but I'm unsure that there is any definitive evidence on where. I personally see 4 main styles Crude/Pig, Fat, Normal, Hybrid - and have an example of each below. My favorite is what I call the Hybrid style, part Pig-afunt and part Normal Elephant. All certainly had to be minted in different areas and times.


    Crude/Pig

    Caesar Denarius Elephant CNG 2011.jpg

    Normal

    Caesar Denarius Elephant CNG 2010.jpg

    Hybrid - Pig and Normal

    Caesar Denarius Elephant NAC 5-2012.jpg

    Fat

    Caesar Denarius Elephant Kunker 2007.jpg
     
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