puzzling Coin

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by jimfoxy, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. jimfoxy

    jimfoxy Junior Member

    I picked up a silver one piastre French coin when I was in Vietnam in the 1960's. I looked at it closely the other day, and it has a date of "1682". Of course, that can't possibly be right. I think these coins started to be minted in the 1880's.
    I know there have been some fake coins produced, but surely a fake would not put such a date on a coin, would they?
    I suppose it could be an error at the mint. The reverse has an "A" which I understand is the Paris mint.
    Anyway, if anyone could help, I would be appreciateive.
    Best regards,
    Jimfoxy
    PS I will try to post photos.
     
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  3. jimfoxy

    jimfoxy Junior Member

    Here are Pictures of the Piastre

    I am attempting to post the scans of the coin, front and back.
     

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  4. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    My guess is that someone using the same techniques that forum member Billzach uses to create hobo nickels worked on your coin, but with far less skill than our forum member!

    Notice the angle between the date and the top of the exurge, and the slightly off-center location of the date.

    Except for that date, of course, it is clearly a (genuine or counterfeit) French Indo-China Piastre - either
    • KM#5, 27.215 g, .900 silver, .7875 oz. ASW, originally dated between 1885 and 1895; or
    • the ever-so-slightly debased KM#5a, 27 g, .900 silver, .7812 oz. ASW, originally dated between 1895 and 1928.
    Depending on date and condition, if real it used to be worth somewhere between $25-500.

    BTW you are absolutely correct about the mint mark.
     
  5. jimfoxy

    jimfoxy Junior Member

    Thanks for the Information

    Thanks Hontonai,
    I did some more googling and found that a number of these coins with strange dates were and maybe still are being sold in Vietnam. No doubt the date made the coin a novelty. I still don't know if it is real or not. One source said the counterfeits were mostly magnetic, being made of iron and silver plated. My coin is not the least bit magnetic. How do you tell if it is silver or not?

    JIm
     
  6. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Oh, it's real all right - a real product of the Chinese counterfeit industry that has been extensively discussed on this forum.
    Google for instructions on making a specific gravity test. Otherwise, spend a couple of hundred bucks, and submit it to a metallurgical laboratory for testing.

    Preliminary test: If you don't have an accurate scale take it to a jewelery store and ask them to weigh it, then compare the weight with those of the genuine coins - 27g or 27.215g. Unless it's within several hundredths of one of those weights, you'll have your answer.
     
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