Provenance Surprises

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  1. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Just thought I'd share, I was doing some research on a piece I am about a hair's width from pulling the trigger on, and found out some previously unknown provenances on two of my coins.

    My Bashlow 1c Confederate Restrike was bought in an NGC slab noting the John J. Ford, Jr. pedigree. I came across the original Stack's listing - the set (all three were MS68) were a personal gift from Robert Bashlow himself to Ford, and were hand selected for fineness. :wideyed:

    My 25c B. Howell OH 46th Reg. O.H.V. sutler token was unattributed on the NGC holder I bought it in, but considering there are likely only 2-4 in existence, the wear and coloration, along with some characteristic bumps and bruises identify it as part of the Raymond Bunt, Jr. Collection. Stack's listed it as the fineness of VF with a clean and retone. NGC had it at VF20. PCGS upgraded it to VF35 when it crossed over last year. I was unaware of any pedigree other than the Rick Irons connection as he was my source. Bonus! :D

    Both are prized members of the family, and not going anywhere, but I was excited to find out a bit more of the history behind them.
     
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  3. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    Pics Please
     
  4. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Well, since you asked...

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    c1961 Bashlow Confederate 1c Restrike MS68 Ex: John J. Ford, Jr.

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    c1863 B. Howell 25c 46th Reg O.V. VF35 Ex: Raymond Bunt, Jr.; Rick Irons
     
  5. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Stack's images of the sutler - with only 2-4 in existence, I'm sure this is the one.

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  6. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    Very nice thanks for sharing. I need to find me a Bashlow
     
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  7. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    There's no doubt, it has to be based on those pics.
     
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  8. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Copper is the most common, followed by both Goldine (Brass) and Silver. He also struck 50 pieces in a variety of metals such as zinc, tin, lead, aluminum, and even red fiber. There are 3 each in Gold and Platinum - those are the big money of the series. I was a little disappointed my copper lost a point crossing to PCGS, but ah well. It's still a nice one. Very neat series, with a lot of history.
     
  9. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    You might want to ask them to correct the date on the website.


    CERT VERIFICATION #33825762
    According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:

    PCGS Coin Information
    PCGS # 527917
    Date, mintmark (1961)
    Denomination 1C
    Variety CSA-Bashlow Restrike Brass
    Country The United States of America
    Grade MS68
    Pedigree John J. Ford Jr.
    Holder Type PCGS Secure
    Population
    2
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    Click on the image to enlarge
    View this coin in PCGS CoinFacts
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    *2
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Were there any that show a Full strike?
    @jester3681
     
  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Wasn't it restruck in 1961, tho?
     
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  13. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    They were struck from cancelled dies, so that's about the best strike you're ever going to see.
     
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  14. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    My bad.
     
  15. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Well - the Bashlow's were already cancelled when he got the dies. They all appear the same. Robert Lovett (the original sinker) struck a few for demonstration, and then they were restruck with perfect dies in the late nineteenth century (I want to say it was Dr. Dickeson, but don't hold me to that). The originals are six figure coins if you can convince someone to part. The first restrikes are outside the reach of normal collectors as well. The second restrikes (Bashlows) are the ones jokers like us (@Hugh Stiel aside) can afford.

    As for the sutler token, I know of two - mine in very fine, and the plate coin which was slightly finer. Sutler tokens were rare from the get, and were circulated in poor conditions (read: war). The 46th was particularly difficult because the sutler was raided during the war, and the rebs looted pretty heavily. Many of Howell's tokens were likely lost during the raid.
     
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