Pretty sweet 1945-S Washington Quarter DDO picked off eBay..

Here is a really nice 1945-S Washington Quarter DDO WDDO-001 that I grabbed on eBay recently. Any Washington Quarter variety collectors in here have any information on this? The doubling is pretty strong and in my opinion stronger than the FS-101/WDDO-002 and FS-102/WDDO-003 listed here at Wexler's Die Varieties http://www.doubleddie.com/1767904.html all three are listed as "Best Of" Varieties.

 

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I enjoy picking quarters at shows but can't add to what you have already read on this one. Excellent pick and pics !

 

Great find

 

I'm trying to use your image of the reverse to nail it down with the " Markers " to look for and I think it's DDO-004 .

 

Rick, why would you use markers on the reverse to attribute a DDO? Isn't it possible that the reverse die was used with more than one obverse die?

Chris

 

Great image.

 

Because DDO-004 uses them for markers and here they are Chris from wexler site .

 

Here's the image wexler uses for IGWT for DDO-004 and it looks the same to me as Lee coin too .

 

How does Wexler know if that was the only reverse die used with the DDO? Is it just because he says so? Where is the proof?

Chris

 

If there different die(s) with the same doubling, makers are the only way to tell which one you have and this is one of those die ....

 

Instead of focusing first on markers, Rick, why not compare doubling and then markers? A quick comparison of the OP's coin and WDDO-004 show them to be different; the doubling is clearly not the same and this alone should be enough to suggest his coin is not of this variety.

 

The only way to tell this DDO is with markers, only because there are several with the same doubling, even lee stated that .

Read the first post ...

 

Lee, take some images of the markers ...

 

@Rick Stachowski The coin I posted is the WDDO-001. The doubling is exactly the same. The markers on the reverse of the WDDO-004 that you mention are not present on my coin. Another indicator that the coin I posted is not the 004 is the lack of doubling in the vertical leg of the R in LIBERTY. The spread in the 001 is also stronger than the 004.

One thing to keep in mind about markers, is that they change as the die life progresses. My 001 is an earlier die state than the one listed on Wexler's site. It does not have any of the die cracks listed both on the obverse and reverse.

 

Compare the DOUBLING on the OP's example to your suggestion; see any (obvious) differences? If the DOUBLING doesn't match, do comparisons of questionable markers really matter? No, they don't, and this is something you've been told many times, Rick. You know better.

Markers certainly can be used to identify different varieties, and are particularly useful when doubling presents itself to be very similar from one to the next, but when it's nothing like that shown on the coin in question, they're of no use whatsoever.

 

Here is a direct comparison.

WDDO-001 listed on Wexler's site


My coin


WDDO-004 listed on Wexler's site

 

Make sure you send it to wexler before you send it in for grading . Without the markers to match wexler DDO-001 .
No one will add that variety to the slab .

 

Right now, no one will attribute it on a slab with the exception of ANACS and probably SEGS. NGC and PCGS only attribute varieties with FS#'s which this one does not have as of yet. I'm going to contact Bill Fivaz regarding this coin to see what he thinks of the possibility of listing it in future editions of the CPG.

 

right now, no one will slab ( variety ) it without the markers matching ..

 

How can the markers match if the die has not yet developed cracking? Currently the only markers for the WDDO-001 besides the obvious doubling are die cracks on the obverse and reverse.

You are correct that the markers don't match, you are trying to match it to a coin that it is not. The doubling between my coin and the WDDO-004 is not the same, the polish lines and die gouges are not the same, hence, it's not the same variety. The doubling in my coin is EXACTLY the same as the WDDO-001, and because my coin is an earlier die state, there are no cracks evident. I will probably send the coin to both Wexler and Wiles to get the die state annotated as an earlier die state. This would be done mostly for their files, and not because I would be worried that my coin would not attribute as the WDDO-001 or the CONECA DDO-001 variety. James Wiles currently has no photo's of any of the DDO's in the 1945-S Washington Quarters. But, he does list the example with the die cracks as a Stage C Late Die State. He also lists a confirmed example in Stage B Mid Die State with no die cracks mentioned. A Stage A Early Die State is unconfirmed as of right now. My opinion is that my example is not a Stage A EDS but rather a State B MDS specimen.

I'm not trying to start anything with you @Rick Stachowski. I value your opinions. Right now, I'm not planning on sending it in for grading, as it's not going to be attributed by PCGS or NGC. I would like to see it get listed in the CPG so that eventually it can be sent in to PCGS or NGC.