Presidential Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Indianhead1990, Nov 27, 2006.

  1. Indianhead1990

    Indianhead1990 New Member

    Did I read right, that there will be no "E Pluribus Unum" and no "In God We Trust" on these new dollars?:eek: What can I say except that if this is true, I intend to boycott this coin and refuse it in change.
     
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  3. kiyardo

    kiyardo Senior Member

    No, you didn't read it right. The mottos will be included on the edge. See usmint.gov
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    I'm sure if you boycott the coin that this will have a huge impact on the sucess or failure of the coin for use, but if I might ask you, why is that so important to you?

    Ruben
     
  5. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    In order for you to boycott it, people will have to use it. IMHO there are three chances of that - fat, slim and none. :rolleyes:
     
  6. bruce 1947

    bruce 1947 Support Or Troops

    People will never use a 1 dollar coin in trade, until there is no paper money and that is not going to happen.
     
  7. Indianhead1990

    Indianhead1990 New Member

    I would boycott it if those emblems of our country weren't included because our country is practically based on those words. I doubt that I would be the only one to boycott it. I am pleased that they are going to have them on there though. I do agree with Bruce 1947. Why does the mint think that the reaction to this new coin will be any different from that of the Susie Bs and the Sacajeweas? People prefer paper dollars, so they will not willingly go back to an all coin currency.
     
  8. GaryBurke

    GaryBurke Senior Member

    Nobody seriously thinks the new dollars will circulate.

    They are a "cash cow" for the mint, and the mint will make millions with them.

    I only wish those millions would be used to improve mint facilities and products rather than being dumped into the general fund.

    :) :) :) :)
     
  9. Old Silver

    Old Silver New Member

    EXACTLY!!!:)
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Oh, that is the reason that the Sacagawea dollars failed!
    Indianhead's fault.
    :rolleyes:
     
  11. Indianhead1990

    Indianhead1990 New Member

    lol, I actually was one of the thousands of "guilty" coin collectors that horded them. Although, I doubt I was as "bad" as some other people. I don't even have a full roll. :D
     
  12. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Mysticism and Tyrants

    Sort of:

    Translating E PLURIBUS UNUM


    The general meaning of each Latin word is clear:
    Pluribus is related to the English word: "plural."
    Unum is related to the English word: "unit."

    E Pluribus Unum describes an action: Many uniting into one.
    Its deeper meaning, however, is revealed when we find the source of the Latin motto and the image originally associated with it – an image that suggests a wonderful metaphor for America.

    The most common place where the In God We Trust is observed in daily life is on the money of the United States. The first United States coin to bear this national motto was the 1864 two-cent piece. It first appeared on U.S. currency on the back of Florida National Bank Notes in 1863. It wasn't until 1957 that the motto was permanently adopted for use on United States currency.


    I wouldn't say our country was based on In God We Trust. That is a recent urban legend.
     
  13. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I'm fairly certain I read someplace that the new dollar coins will not have the word "Liberty" on them, but only the Statue of Liberty. But I guess that over the next few years they will have to start eliminating all of these traditional American slogans and images from the coinage to prepare everyone for acceptance of global currency and coinage. I'm pretty sure I also read that there is a bill in Congress to transfer the US Mint to the complete control of the Federal Reserve. Once out from under Treasury Dept control, I guess anything will be acceptable. Someone suggested that this might lead to the elimination of silver and gold coinage within a few years.

    All purely speculative however.
     
  14. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Perhaps you read it in the statute passed by Congress and signed by President Bush as Public Law 109-145:
    and

     
  15. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    You have a very differnet perspective on American History than I would and I've written quite a bit on the topic of the founding of our country based on the historical and archeoloical documentation.

    More to the point, IMO, your statement stands in direct conflict wit numerous of our founding fathers including Jefferson, Madison, War Hero's Lord Stirling, Mordechai grist and others. Its likely that that the Franklin Coins more closely resembled the foundating sentiments of our nation upon its foundation.

    Ruben
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    I wouldn't say that either, but it certainly does go back to the very beginnings of this nation. The following is a short excerpt from an article I wrote on the subject a few years back -

    " There were 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776 - the very beginning of our nation. This is the pledge that those 56 men made - "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." It seems rather hard to argue that "In God We Trust" and "firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence" do not convey the same meaning. And how much further back can you go into our nation's heritage than the signing of the Declaration of Independence?

    " Then of course you can examine our National Anthem - written in 1814. The words of the third from the last line of the fourth stanza are - "And this is our motto - 'In God is our Trust!" Now somebody will say those words are not in our National Anthem. But "The Star Spangled Banner" is actually a poem that was put to music. And only the first stanza of the poem was used in the song."

    " So it seems to me that when Congress decided to place the Motto "In God We Trust" on some of our coins back in the 1860's they were only too aware of just how much those words are a part of our nation's heritage. Perhaps we have forgotten it. "
     
  17. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    This is overstating the importance and the congnative meaning of "In God We Trust" to the revolutionary period.

    Clearly nearly all the founding fathers moved sharply away from religious conviction, sttectching from Patrick Henry and Sam Adams who made fun and critism orgnazied religion and Christianity in the specific to Hamilton's near complete ambiviance to religion on the Jefferson's liberal adoption of religious concepts for political expediency and doctrin.

    If anything was ment by "In God is our trust" which would have been a poetic invention by Key, it would be understood clearly in its day as a counter to "God Save the King" The use of Religion by the American Radical revolutionary movement which gave birth to this nation was seriously ambiguous about religion if not flat out antagonistic towards it. It reflects in every demographic picture of the population of the period from the highest out of weblock birth rates until the 1960s, church roles, to the extensive writings by the soldiers at the Battle of Brooklyn.

    This is not to say that the nation was completely without faith. But clearly the strenous radical social experiments, wars, burning of women at the stake, religious intolerance and fighting of the late 1600's had give way by the 1750's to a society much more leary about the place of any religious doctrin that couldn't be used to express the longing desire for political, economic and personal freedom.

    In a word, by July 2, 1776, when the nation declared its independence and the war officially began, this nations sole religious belief what that of the religion of Freedom, and the pursuit of happiness (ie to make a buck).

    Ruben
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions,I shall agree to disagree on this issue.
     
  19. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  20. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

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    RickieB
     
  21. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Mysticism and Tyrants

    You might say the ladies are gold. :mouth:
     
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