Please help with these two Caesar fake or real?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AngelDeath, May 23, 2016.

  1. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    The one on the left is 3.3 grams the one on the right is 4.01 grams

    Any help would be appreciated!

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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Well I have a 'budget' example of this popular and usually pricey JC denarius:
    JC elephant trampling snake.jpg

    I assume both of yours are genuine.....but I can't be sure and I'll leave that up to those better able to clarify that for you. Obviously, they are often replicated.

    They are described as struck by the military mint traveling with Caesar, circa 49 BC.

    The reverse displays implements of the 'High Priest--Pontifex Maximus, a 'title' which Caesar held...and the elephant has been described as depicting 'good' (Caesar) trampling 'evil' (the snake) and to represent his victories over his Gallic enemies...

    If you look it up under 'Crawford 443/1', you will note all the 'varieties' and the fact all average about 4 grams

    If you click on the link, i think most of your questions will be answered.
    Last edited: May 23, 2016
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  4. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    I'm certainly no expert, but the style of the example on the left does not look good to me at all. There are many, many fakes of the Caesar/Elephant type denarius including some that are very convincing, bankers marks etc. Unless you know the dealer I would be very cautious. FWIW, I have three of them. JCaesarFatEle.jpg JCaesarSkinnyEle.jpg JulCaesFlip.jpg
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It is true. This type is faked quite often; however, I can see nothing wrong in the images. The weight is in the ballpark. To be certain, take it to someone you know that has a working knowledge of Ancients. I wish you luck.
    Last edited: May 27, 2016
  6. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    Nice Collection! I think/hope the one on the left is a worn version of see below 0021-030~0.jpg
  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Right one looks OK, left one looks fake.
  8. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hey @AngelDeath, welcome on boards.
    Thank you for showing off my elephant :)

  9. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    No problem they don't get any better!
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  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Might the lighter example be a fourree? It has an appearance similar to at least one other JC elephant fourree I've seen.
  11. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    The one on the left is definitely fake. The one on the right might be real.
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  12. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    I'd buy the one on the right and pass on the one on the left.
  13. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    For a newly-interested ancient person could those of you who are questioning authenticity of the left-hand one, please give me the rationale? Thanks!

  14. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    It looks nothing like an ancient coin in terms of fabric, style, and (lack of) strike.
  15. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    The photo is a really good example of fake toning vs very old toning. The coin on the right has the toning of what one sees with a coin which has been around for roughly 100 years. The left one is either applied or chemically induced. The coin itself is not a bad copy (if one would call it that). Look at the beaded border on the reverse left. Looks like whoever made it got bored or impatient and just finished the border with squiggles instead of dots.
  16. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    I can't argue with the squiggles. The toning looks better in hand but the camera doesn't lie it seems!
  17. Coudyhunter57

    Coudyhunter57 New Member

    D34210C3-27D3-4398-B1C3-FAAC547EA943.jpeg Anyone know if this is fake or real
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    Help !!!!

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    Coudyhunter57 New Member

    Is this coin genuine
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