Please help report this counterfeit artist

Please... people like this are ruining our hobby:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/37055171306...IDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.l2649#ht_500wt_785

 

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Well, if it is counterfeit then he's got the devil to pay as the Chinese authorities frown on local folks faking coin of the realm.....

 

Why are we reporting this?? a counterfeit artist doesnt give us an explanation as to why we are reporting it. All you are stating is that the seller is a counterfeit artist..which doesnt necessarily mean that the coin is counterfeit. You want us to report something but not state the reason/justification as to why. Is this a fake? is so, what are the determining factors? If you want us to do the right thing, then explain yourself dont just tell us to report it.

edit: after rereading this, I think it sounds more harsh then what I intended this to be..I deal with to many lawyers on weekly basis lol.

 

anyone know how to get ahold of the new Mao?

 

Here's another one that is counterfeit.. obviously I was stating the coin was counterfeit, not sure how anyone would get my post mixed up lol.... anyways, check this out (There is NO L Giorgi signature on HIS right sleeve) http://www.ebay.com/itm/270835588245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_500wt_785

 

Please look at this one, which is real. see the difference? http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7693362

 

I wasnt mixed up I wanted you to be more clear and give a better explanation as to why. Please take a second and go back and reread what you said. For being a new comer to the forums would you believe what you wrote if you were in someone else's shoes who has been here for a while? With these other posts that you have provided I am more likely to believe that you know what you are talkign and help you out..i have a bad way of teaching lol Obviously i should have stated that which would have made things a lot more clearer, something I need to work on lol.

 

I like what you wrote. You've shown critical thinking and analytical skills, something that is lacking from many members on this forum as pertains to replicas/counterfeit coins who often act as if the world is about to end.

Now, what is the big deal with this auction? Anytime you're dealing with a seller from China, it is safe to assume that the coins being sold are counterfeit. I've known that for over a decade, it is a no-brainer when buying from Chinese sellers. A little education and comparative research (as you subsequently did by posting a link to authentic coins, for example) would help those who don't know this about Chinese sellers. If someone gets burned buying a fake (hopefully at not too great a cost) from such a high-risk locale then it will serve as an educational experience to them to do better research at buying coins in the future.

 

I guess I just figured it was something simple and didn't need this much discussion. I was simply trying to help everyone out and get rid of these people. I am new to the forum and new to coin collecting and it is unsettling to know that there are those out there ruining it for us. I guess that I see people saying this stuff all the time and thought that you guys would appreciate the fact that I am concerned about the sanctity of this hobby. I appreciate your comments as it does help to elaborate to those interested parties who are like me and do not know much about coins.

Thanks guys for helping me send a clear message to everyone

 

I like your taking the initiative but getting ebay to ban such sellers (which is rare for them to do) will do nothing more than push them underground making it difficult for collectors to identify such sellers. Next time after getting banned they will get smarter, perhaps producing even better counterfeits and using fronts to hide their true location, etc. This is why it is best for sellers like you mentioned to be allowed to remain out in the open, essentially left undisturbed in their fake coin sales.

I guess counterfeits don't really concern or phase me too much as far as maintaining the sanctity/integrity of this hobby for the simple fact that counterfeits have been around for as long as coins themselves, which were first created about 600 B.C. You can read more about the history of counterfeiting coinage here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_money

 

Buying a coin is much like buying a car.If the seller is good at what he does you may end up buying a lemond.After you get burned a few times or less you learn and move on.You will then become a true collector after you find others will not always be around to bail you out.

 

Honestly, anyone that falls for this obvious a fake needs to find another hobby.

 

I'm new to this forum, so excuse me for my lack of understanding. A relative newcomer, to not only this forum but to coin collecting as well, felt concerned enough to want to report a fakes seller and to try to do something about it. Yet the vitriol I read was targeted at the reporter. Perhaps the "harsh" wording was not intended, but that's how it came across. Then, others seemed to chime in with the same type of caustic chorus. To what end? Yes, the member was enthusiastic, but is this wrong? It would seem that those of us who have been collecting coins for a while (in my case 30 plus years) would welcome new and young blood to this great hobby and try to make them feel comfortable enough to participate on this forum. But, hey, that's just me.

 

Actually, my understanding is they don't care a whit about exporting fakes, they only forbid exporting REAL old Chinese coins.

 

I have a few counterfeits. The Henning nickle is one of them. At .99 and free shipping no one is getting rich off of this sale. I find some of them interesting. Coin collecting is collecting any coin. IMHO

 

I agree with what you are saying. I think people are more caught up with the legality debate about it, which has been getting pretty heated in a few recent threads. Consider the "caustic" posts a spill-over from those threads.
Part of the problem is that some of the people posting do not collect these coins, and therefore are not able to see just how obviously fake this coin is. As a result, some people may think there is a different, more evil reason for the post. I can assure everyone that this seller does indeed sell exclusively fakes of better Chinese coins. I, for one, have reported them.

 

Thank you very much for reporting them. I do appreciate the support in getting people like this away from any legit collector.

 

I'm with the OP not the "know it alls". The member is simply trying to warn other members. Unfortunately, ome people just believe that they were born knowing it all. Some don't care because they don't collect the junk but they shouldn't be posting either if replying with smart remarks and stuff, seriously.

I reported his !!! :devil:

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Did none of what I wrote sink in yesterday?

Drugs, narcotics and some species of plants like opium, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines and (unfortunately) marijuana (on the Federal level) are all illegal in the United States but does that stop anyone from finding these substances? No, of course not! Same thing with Prohibition and alcohol back in the 1920s. All banning something does is push it underground where people can and will find whatever it is that they are looking for. In an essence, all reporting these fake coin sellers from China will do is harm the coin collecting hobby for reasons which may be found in my own above quote and not help it like so many are naively attempting to do.

 

Amen! =)

I don't think the same applies to addictive substances as to counterfeit coins. The reason it's hurting the hobby is exactly because they are regularly available on major venues that many people look at. Few people would be looking for them in underground circles, because they do not need them.