no idea on the one on top without looking more, but i think the one on the bottom would be from medieval India, princely states i believe they were called, or possibly the middle east. someone who knows more about these should be around soon.
The top one looks like this one: German States Wurzburg 1/84 Gulden Silver Ebay listing for a similar coin. http://www.ebay.com/ctg/German-States-Wurzburg-1-84-Gulden-Kortling-1657-/78282769 It looks real to me. You are holding history in your hand.
würzburg, Hochstift Philipp Adolph von Ehrenberg, 1623-1631 Körtling ( Dreier) 1624 http://www.muenzauktion.com/saenn/item.php5?id=3918&lang=fr&curr=EUR