Please Help ID Islamic leader

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Sep 15, 2014.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hello. The obverse of this bronze coin shows clearly the face of a man in incuse. It weighs 5.16 g. The reverse in bad condition figures Arabic letters which are mostly identifiable. Could you help me find the name of this leader and the era in which he ruled? Thank you .. Charles Is O.jpg Is R.jpg
     

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  3. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Nice find, these Arab figural bronzes in good condition are quite sought after !
    The arabic legend is difficult to read and looks overstruck. Likely it also does not name the ruler, but seems in the name of the caliph al-mustansir (who was the titular religious leader, but not a wordly leader around that time)
    Luckily these figural bronzes are often quite reckognizable on the picture side.
    I think this is Lu'lu'id, issued by Badr al-Din Lu’lu from Mosul. Around 1230 AD.
     
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  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Great. So that was during the reign of Abbasid Caliph Al - Mustansir Billah. I can read this on the reverse. Are figural bronzes considered as coins? Do they have a denomination such as Dinar or Fils?
    Charles
     
  5. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    These are usually referred to as AE Dirhems.
     
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  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    has the obverse been tooled or is that just how these look? i'm not familiar with the type.
     
  7. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    I thought pictures were banned from Islamic coins after the 7th or 8th century AD which is why Islamic coins typically only have writing or geometric designs on them.

    The coin pictured above dates to circa 1230 AD so how is it possible for it to have a picture of a person on it?
     
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  8. mani

    mani Junior Member

  9. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I noticed that if I turn the coin upside down, then I can read on top " Salman" or " "Musliman". Watch this scan.. Is O.jpg
     
  10. mani

    mani Junior Member

  11. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot. I did not know this coin is saved in famous museums. How much could its value be approximately estimated?
    Charles
     
  12. mani

    mani Junior Member

    sorry. I dont know
     
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