Phocas Nummi - can someone tell the undertype?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by cmezner, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. cmezner

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    Got this also from HJB's pick bin. Obviously, it's not in good shape, but I thought it is interesting to have a coin that shows how the quality of coins had decreased during the late empire.

    The coinage of Phocas is plentiful in lower denominations, often in crude style, while the solidi were produced with better workmanship.
    Many lower denominations were made by overstriking directly on older coins.

    I think there are traces of overstriking on the obverse and reverse of this coin. It would be awesome if someone could tell what the undertype is?

    Bithynia, Nikomedia, 608 - 609 AD
    30.4 x 30.2 mm; 12.235 g

    DOC Vol. 2, Phocas to Theodosius, Nicomedia, pp 176 – 178, Follis Class II, Consular bust, 56 – 60; SB 658

    Ob.: upload_2024-7-21_16-1-56.png (DN FOCA PⲈR AVς) Facing bust of Phocas, wearing crown with pendilia and consular robes; holding mappa in r. hand and cross in l. hand.
    Rev.: ANNO XXXX in exergue, NIKOA at r. upload_2024-7-21_16-2-52.png

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  3. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    That's a very interesting example.

    I do see on the reverse what I think is the ending of the obverse legend of the overstruck coin: PPAV, and the lower portion of what seems to be a cuirassed portrait, based on the photo. That could make the under-coin one of Justinian I's, Tiberius II Constantine's or Maurice Tiberius' issues, which is a very wide net.

    I would lean towards Maurice Tiberius, Phocas' predecessor. Phocas was motivated to obliterate references to Maurice Tiberius following that emperor's execution in 602 AD.

    I'm thinking the under-coin is generally something like this (not my coin):

    Maurice Tiberius, follis, Constantinople, year 8 (A.D. 590-591)
    11,8 grams - 30 mm

    Maurice Tiberius follis Constantinople year 8 A.D. 590-591 11,8 g - 30 mm 7-22-24.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2024
  4. cmezner

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    Thank you so very much @robinjojo. Your information is really helpful and is greatly appreciated:)
     
  5. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    I'd concur with the Maurice opinion.
     
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