Philip the Arab

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  1. hoth2

    hoth2 Well-Known Member

    Hi guys--I've got another authenticity puzzle. I just got the coin below in the mail. It was described as:

    "Philip I AR Antoninianus. IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / AEQVITAS AVGG, Aequitas standing left with scales & cornucopia. RIC 27b, RSC

    THIS COIN WAS HOLED IN ANCIENT TIMES AND HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY REPAIRED."


    I weighed it at 4.19. I would very much like it to be real because

    1. I paid money for it and prefer to pay money for things that are real.

    2. It's got a ton of character.

    I have doubts because of the semi-weak letters, especially on the reverse (could this just be the result of a worn reverse die?), and that weird looking G in the AVG on the obverse. I'm wondering if maybe somebody at some point, scraped the surface smooth and hit the bottom of that G?

    Thanks in advance!

    PhillipI.jpg PhillipI2.jpg
     
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    some of the details look a bit soft, but the weight is good and i didn't see a match forum....so i'm not sure. how's the edge?
     
  4. hoth2

    hoth2 Well-Known Member

    Here are a few pictures I just took of the edge.. I tried to rotate it all the way around, but I'm sure I didn't catch everything..
     

    Attached Files:

  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Hmm, I'm not liking it :(. To me it looks like a cast.

    Usual disclaimers: I am not an expert and it is difficult to reach a conclusion based on images.
     
  6. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I am no expert, but to me it looks as though there is a seam around the edge.
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The edge does look filed. The junctions of devices to the fields look "soapy". Etc.
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Even though each die was hand cut, this portrait does not look right to me. Philip I portraits are fairly distinctive.
    Philip_I_2 OBV.jpg
     
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  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    yeah, i don't like that edge hoth...looks like a seam and maybe some file marks there.
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I had the same reaction as Bing---something's 'off' about that portrait...

    My antoninianus for comparison as well... DSCF0453.JPG DSCF0454.JPG
     
  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    It does look like there are traces of a seam that someone attempted to file away.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The portrait style does not bother me but the second edge picture shows a pretty certain seam. I'd not be able to accept it as real.
     
  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I am calling faker-doodles.
     
  14. hoth2

    hoth2 Well-Known Member

    Thanks everybody! ..and thanks for sharing your Philips Bing and Mikey. I love that sharp jaw. Also, in the future please use more official numismatic terminology like faker-doodles, please.

    I'm disappointed but not entirely surprised (that's why I asked, after all). I'll get in touch with the seller and see about a return.
     
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