overstruck monstrosity

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Victor_Clark, Aug 19, 2023.

  1. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    This coin is horrible looking and I love it. It is a Constans FEL TEMP galley overstruck with a [unofficial] Julian II SECVRITAS REIPVB bull reverse

    Constans_JulianII.JPG

    Constans
    A.D. 348- 350
    23mm 5.3g
    D N CONSTA-NS P F AVG; pearl diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right.
    FEL TEMP REPARATIO; Emperor in military dress stg. l., holding victory on globe and standard with Chi-Rho; in stern sits Victory, steering ship.
    In ex. TRP
    RIC VIII Trier 219


    Here's the undertype

    Trier219.jpg


    and here's an unofficial Julian II

    Julian II unofficial.JPG
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    HA!, that's a trip. Looks like a centaur. Fantastic error.
     
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  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Yup that's a centaur and amazing.
     
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  5. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    I've always found overstruck coins fascinating, especially when a good portion of the original coin is still visible. Nice acquisition!
     
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  6. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    That is a really spectacular overstrike! It's really something special to find one whose overstrike creates a new design (in this case, a weird centaur...and Constans w/ bushy eyebrows & mutton chops!).

    One wonders if sometimes these weren't done on purpose...

    I bought the following coin for such a reason. I've seen a few others (e.g., Weber 1178) of these Adranon overstrikes where it looks like Apollo is still wearing Athena's helmet (from the Syracuse AE Drachm under-type). But this is the only one I've seen where the lyre on the reverse has a frame constructed out of the under-type's dolphin's!

    Virzi 512 CNG EA 116, 56 Tony Hardy Aitna Adranon 2.jpg
    CNS III 2 st 4/5 = Virzi 512 = CNG EA 116 (2005), 56 (The photo looks much better than the coin, so I use this old one from CNG.)​

    The under-type would be one of these (NOT MY COIN):
    Virzi Undertype Syracuse Athena Dolphins Drachm BW.jpg
     
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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I've posted this before, but here's one of my favorite mashups -- an unofficial FEL TEMP overstruck on a posthumous issue of Constantine I, both types from Antioch. Ex-Collection of Ralph Van Deman Magoffin, eminent American Classical scholar and archaeologist, 1874-1942...I hope he enjoyed it is much as I do!


    the first pic with the coin rotated to show the undertype

    posthumous host.jpg


    what it looks like without an overstrike

    posthumous original.jpg


    now rotated to show the unofficial FEL TEMP

    FEL overstrike.jpg


    and what the official type looks like

    Antioch122.jpg
     
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  8. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

    Oh! Just realized that FH has a great shield decoration on the reverse! One of randygeki's many decorated shields has such a swirl, but w/ more "spokes." Those are interesting.

    Here's rg's decorated-shields collage (I don't recall which threads it's in), with the "swirl" at the very center (click to enlarge for anyone interested):
    FH FTR Shield Decorations from RandyGeki on CoinTalk Project1.jpg
    NOT MY COINS/COLLAGE. Source: @randygeki
    Sorry to derail!
     
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